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kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:29:37 AM)

Now now don't change the subject because you have no answers.

Great Britain, as an example, used both military and economic power during its imperialistic period and that is a given in any circumstance…But it did not have the power of the US with atomic weapons or the resources.

You are naive if you think economic power is enough…history does not support it.

Butch



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:33:04 AM)

What's the value of an empire when it's a nuclear wasteland?

Usually it's the resistance within a country that implements a scorched earth policy.



Arpig -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:34:06 AM)

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There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.
One of the great "what ifs" of history. Personally I disagree with you that it would have been a cakewalk, some places (i.e. the USSR) are simply too friggen big to effectively occupy without the consent of the population.



DarlingSavage -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:38:03 AM)

No one has been able to take Russia, except for the Russians themselves. It's too fucking cold! They can have it!



juliaoceania -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:38:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Now now don't change the subject because you have no answers.

Great Britain, as an example, used both military and economic power during its imperialistic period and that is a given in any circumstance…But it did not have the power of the US with atomic weapons or the resources.

You are naive if you think economic power is enough…history does not support it.

Butch



You do realize wars are not fought for national pride, right?... I mean you do get why wars are embarked upon, right?

We have the Olympics to battle for our egos....



juliaoceania -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:39:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.
One of the great "what ifs" of history. Personally I disagree with you that it would have been a cakewalk, some places (i.e. the USSR) are simply too friggen big to effectively occupy without the consent of the population.


Not to mention China, they are a part of the world too after all.



DarlingSavage -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:40:20 AM)

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We have the Olympics to battle for our egos....


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War! ---->[sm=slappy.gif]



kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:40:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Perhaps your air force is number one but your intelligence services have always been shocking bad. You'd have to know where they were developing their programmes to destroy them and if you had the intelligence rather than falling for a load of misdirection from the Soviets then you probably would have.


You are young I'll bet...you do not truly realize the power of atomic weapons. They are not like smart bombs through a window... They can kill millions...make vast areas of land uninhabitable... destroy whole cities and economies. Lay waste to every inch of a given country.

In the time of atomic monopoly Russia would have had no chance in hell of surviving a determined atomic attack.

And thank heavens we dropped the bomb on Japan because without this terrible despicable example of its power we would all most likely be living in a different world today. I don’t believe we would have made it through the cold war without a nuclear conflagration.

Butch



LanceHughes -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:45:21 AM)

What's with the thread jacking?

Signed, A Highly Intelligent Atheist.



HisSweetElysium -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 9:45:28 AM)

I haven't read all the responses, so I apologize if I am repeating someone. I won't go so far as to generalize, but I will say many people I have met that are social conservatives have not taken debate or philosophy courses. Incongruities of logic are very prevalent in these ideologies, and most of those that I have discussed their viewpoints with immediately take personal offense when these discrepancies are pointed out.



kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:46:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


You do realize wars are not fought for national pride, right?... I mean you do get why wars are embarked upon, right?

We have the Olympics to battle for our egos....



Julia have I ever explained my two monkeys and one banana theory? It is the true reason for war... not religion...so maybe we are again agreeing in one way.

Butch



kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:51:10 AM)

Hi Lance... You need to read all the thread...you will see this discussion is dead on the op's premise.

Butch



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:52:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
You are young I'll bet...you do not truly realize the power of atomic weapons. They are not like smart bombs through a window... They can kill millions...make vast areas of land uninhabitable... destroy whole cities and economies. Lay waste to every inch of a given country.

With respect you don't realise the devastation of such weapons unless you've been a victim of it. Not just at the time of detonation but for the generations that come later with birth defects etc.
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In the time of atomic monopoly Russia would have had no chance in hell of surviving a determined atomic attack.

Like I say, what is the point of that? If you want to threaten people with your weapons (to build your empire) then nations will secretly work against you, appeasing you until they can fight back. Ultimately you lose either way.
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And thank heavens we dropped the bomb on Japan because without this terrible despicable example of its power we would all most likely be living in a different world today. I don’t believe we would have made it through the cold war without a nuclear conflagration.

This attack was nothing to do with setting an example to the world it was pure retribution. The weapon could have been demonstrated in other ways to end the war, perhaps even one bomb would have been enough. Some people will fear such power and some will secretly covet it, the world is not safer because such power was demonstrated.



LiveFreeAndSpank -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 9:54:56 AM)


Don't worry, the space aliens are coming and all humans will be slaves. Then we will all be equal.



juliaoceania -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:04:44 AM)

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You are young I'll bet...you do not truly realize the power of atomic weapons. They are not like smart bombs through a window... They can kill millions...make vast areas of land uninhabitable... destroy whole cities and economies. Lay waste to every inch of a given country.

In the time of atomic monopoly Russia would have had no chance in hell of surviving a determined atomic attack.

And thank heavens we dropped the bomb on Japan because without this terrible despicable example of its power we would all most likely be living in a different world today. I don’t believe we would have made it through the cold war without a nuclear conflagration.

Butch


And this is exactly why they were never used by either side, it would not be advantageous to ruin the land and people that one wants to economically exploit.... bad economics there...

Your contention seems to be we just had more ethics than that, which isn't true... we used the fucking things... not just once either.



kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:04:59 AM)

The attack had nothing to do with retribution...it had to do with saving a few million lives….both allied and Japanese.

Seeing a big mushroom cloud over the desert of the southwest and another over a city with real people are two different things… But tell the moms and dads of American boys and girls that you had a way to end the war but did not use it.

Those bombs saved millions of Japanese and showed the world what could happen in a nuclear war. Not a… could have happened that was abstract with no real meaning… but actual reality that may have saved billions in the future.

The problem now is those that saw and experienced that war are almost gone and I’m afraid the lesson may be lost with them.

Butch



cuckoldmepls -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:08:00 AM)

Of course there's no need for war any more. Liberals have figured out all you have to do is lower the border, and before you know it, your entire country is speaking foreign languges including tv and radio, drugs are widespread, and everyone thinks they don't have to work any more since the government will take care of them. Then the people naturally vote for who will hand out the most money, which is what liberals love. Nothing is easier than to buy votes with other people's money. Liberals live in a fantasy world where everyone can live wherever they want, do as many drugs as they want, and spend as much as they want, and there are no consequences.

The fact is, people and animals are territorial, always have been, always will. That's what survival is all about. When you own a choice piece of real estate like we do, if you don't protect it from outsiders, it's not long before they are telling you what to do in your own home. This is what reverse discrimination is all about. In reality there are two ways to take over a country, militarily or politically. Either way the results are the same. You lose the right to maintain your traditional way of life, which for most people consists of maintaining our superpower status in the world, standing up for liberty against oppressive dictatorships, and protecting the right of the people to worship as they please. You will notice that none of these goals require lowering the border to achieve.

Bottom line - Liberals and the people who vote for them have no common sense. Each citizen owes over 35k on the national debt as soon as they are born, and liberals just keep on spending your money like they are entitled to it. The gift of speech should not be a qualification for President. Otherwise we might as well elect Oprah. By the way she is retiring from her show, so you can expect her to run for U.S. Senate of course.

http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html



NihilusZero -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:08:34 AM)

Such studies have been around for quite some time. It particularly interesting to check studies that compare percentages of people espousing theistic notions between regular populations and groups dedicated to heavy intellectual pursuits (the premier members of their scientific fields, for instance).

The problem with all of this is that part of the accepted "affirmative action" phenomenon has become the equation of intelligence with human value. Somehow, people are just supposed to automatically be treated as "smart", just for being alive, because it's so closely tied with human worth.

No one likes to be told they are iffy in the intellectual department or are prone to making stupid decisions or are prone to keeping malformed decision-making methods, true. But people treating these studies as some "put down" are missing the forest for the trees. Humans of all intelligence levels still deserve the same freedoms.

Maybe if we didn't treat our species as being entitled to be called smart when we aren't we might actually advance our collective intelligence along a little quicker and a little better. As it is, though, we are rewarding intellectual apathy.



NihilusZero -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:11:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Hi Lance... You need to read all the thread...you will see this discussion is dead on the op's premise.

Butch


Peer reviewed and genuinely scientific studies aren't dead just via someone's wishful thinking.

If you want to suggest that the OP is, by starting this thread, suggesting theists or conservative thinkers are somehow less worthy of civil liberties or rights because of the facts wrought from the study, then maybe you have a point, but otherwise there really isn't anything to contest.

The results of the study have been replicated and determined for quite some time.



kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 10:12:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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You are young I'll bet...you do not truly realize the power of atomic weapons. They are not like smart bombs through a window... They can kill millions...make vast areas of land uninhabitable... destroy whole cities and economies. Lay waste to every inch of a given country.

In the time of atomic monopoly Russia would have had no chance in hell of surviving a determined atomic attack.

And thank heavens we dropped the bomb on Japan because without this terrible despicable example of its power we would all most likely be living in a different world today. I don’t believe we would have made it through the cold war without a nuclear conflagration.

Butch


And this is exactly why they were never used by either side, it would not be advantageous to ruin the land and people that one wants to economically exploit.... bad economics there...

Your contention seems to be we just had more ethics than that, which isn't true... we used the fucking things... not just once either.



Julia the threat would have been enough after all we already gave the world an example of the power. BUT if there were resistance we could have used more. And YES it was our ethics, based on Christian values, that we did not use that power more than we did.

What do you think Hitler would have done with the bomb? How about Stalin? Even Hirohito?

Butch



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