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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:14:17 AM   
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Those bombs saved millions of Japanese and showed the world what could happen in a nuclear war. Not a… could have happened that was abstract with no real meaning… but actual reality that may have saved billions in the future.

Which aspects of the cold war were bloodless?

The Korean War?
The Vietnam War?
The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?
The Chinese civil war?

The fighting still went on, the fact there were new weapons meant it happened more quietly by proxy.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:20:55 AM   
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Hi Lance... You need to read all the thread...you will see this discussion is dead on the op's premise.

Butch


Peer reviewed and genuinely scientific studies aren't dead just via someone's wishful thinking.

If you want to suggest that the OP is, by starting this thread, suggesting theists or conservative thinkers are somehow less worthy of civil liberties or rights because of the facts wrought from the study, then maybe you have a point, but otherwise there really isn't anything to contest.

The results of the study have been replicated and determined for quite some time.



No...I am saying, if this study is true, then the intelligence of atheists is inferior to conservatism and religion when it comes to the power and reality of this world.

And if this is true then according to Darwin atheists will disappear as an inferior offshoot of the human race.

Sounds silly huh…well so does the premise of this thread and this is the point I am making.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:21:16 AM   
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And YES it was our ethics, based on Christian values, that we did not use that power more than we did.

You are not the only country with Christian values as already pointed out. So therefore logically Christian values have nothing to do with you not deciding to dominate the world.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:23:43 AM   
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And YES it was our ethics, based on Christian values, that we did not use that power more than we did.

You are not the only country with Christian values as already pointed out. So therefore logically Christian values have nothing to do with you not deciding to dominate the world.


Oh...name one other Christian nation that had the bomb at that time... then what you said could make sense.

Butch

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:26:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry this whole coulda shoulda but didnt  blow up the world is really a pathetic argument, dumb actually. Hot air and self importance.
As for intelligence ..well Im mad about a repub who is hugely intelligent, a computer whiz and very very religious. But he has a huge side dose of compassion and understanding about the realities and downside of life. Thats the intelligence needed by large numbers of Libertarians, repubs and cons..
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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:33:21 AM   
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Those bombs saved millions of Japanese and showed the world what could happen in a nuclear war. Not a… could have happened that was abstract with no real meaning… but actual reality that may have saved billions in the future.

Which aspects of the cold war were bloodless?

The Korean War?
The Vietnam War?
The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?
The Chinese civil war?

The fighting still went on, the fact there were new weapons meant it happened more quietly by proxy.




And without the example of atomic war there is a good chance that the Korean War would have been fought differently with unimaginable destruction.

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:34:25 AM   
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And YES it was our ethics, based on Christian values, that we did not use that power more than we did.

You are not the only country with Christian values as already pointed out. So therefore logically Christian values have nothing to do with you not deciding to dominate the world.

Oh...name one other Christian nation that had the bomb at that time... then what you said could make sense.
Butch

The native American's didn't really have an answer to the gun, so where were these Christian ethics then?

The whole argument is nonsense, there have always been disparities between civilisations and what stops one from desiring dominance over the other is having humanity not religious ethics.

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And without the example of atomic war there is a good chance that the Korean War would have been fought differently with unimaginable destruction.

Butch

Slow burn or instant destruction but same ultimate human price.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:48:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just like others...you don't have rebuttals so you change the subject.

Let me ask you this... did Native Americans make war and take land of their neighbors? Yes they did… so they are no more or less noble then any other group…with no more or less ethics either…and no more or less right to the land they took by aggression.

I don’t buy the noble Indian bit…every nation in this world is built on the ashes of civilizations before it. This said by an American of Indian decent. …me.

Now ethics can only be judged by the actions of a people in an instance of history. In that instance Christian ethics made the difference from the Hitler and Stalin’s of that time.

Perhaps in the past and the future those ethics were or will be tested again with less noble results.

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:51:26 AM   
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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:55:33 AM   
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Ahhh the smell of ozone on a cold winter day.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:56:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I understand you now, Christian ethics are constantly evolving to suit the personal needs of individual nations. They aren't constant at all, just a veil of convenience. Like those American missionaries in Haiti that are blind to adult suffering but can't seem to prevent themselves from stealing children from their parents to make the children's lives better. 'oh don't worry about all those suffering adults, we can't fix that problem, the children are far more important we'll plant them into new families rather than fixing the existing ones they had.' Their charity and understanding is selective.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everything evolves. Even Creationism evolved into "intelligent design", didn't it?

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:00:03 AM   
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Oh I understand you now, Christian ethics are constantly evolving to suit the personal needs of individual nations. They aren't constant at all, just a veil of convenience. Like those American missionaries in Haiti that are blind to adult suffering but can't seem to prevent themselves from stealing children from their parents to make the children's lives better. 'oh don't worry about all those suffering adults, we can't fix that problem, the children are far more important we'll plant them into new families rather than fixing the existing ones they had.' Their charity and understanding is selective.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:06:50 AM   
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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most intelligent people tolerate conservatism. Just like they tolerate the minor inconveniences of life, like the common cold and when you realise (too late) that the last person to use the bog used the last of the toilet paper.

It's not intolerant to point out the flaws in something, you know :-) . Besides, conservative people are kind of cute (look at Rush Limbaugh! He's adorable.), and they have a lot of use. For example, they make it easier for the rest of us to feel superior and condescending.

Life is wonderful.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:15:11 AM   
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I'm neither conservative nor liberal, having found a remarkable lack of critical thought in both camps. Does that make me the dumbest of the bunch? Or just the guy with the biggest dick?

Honestly, I find that at least half of the people are below average. And they populate both sides of the lib/con fence.


Ditto.
And what about all those "smart" liberals in Hollywood? Has Barbara Streisand made any "speeches" lately?
And, you can't equate "i.q." with education. Getting a "degree" doesn't raise your i.q. 20 points.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:15:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		So religion equals conservatism... conservatism equals lower intelligence...lower intelligence equals adorable... I think you are jealous.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:17:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not trying to sound insulting, but are you still taking serious pain medication? Because you're really out on a limb there, Butch. You're making zilch sense.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:25:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's plenty of left leaning religious people. I'd agree with Butch that you're barking up the wrong tree on that one at least.
I mean, White Rose? That Thibetan wanker the media circles are eager to rim since the Chinese kicked him out? (Actually a feudalist, but a lefty in American political terms, which is frightening when you think about it.) That Christ guy and his homosexual drug cult? Saint Francis? The Levellers (not the shit band)? Oliver Cromwell? Her who founded the Shakers?

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 11:28:35 AM   
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I'm not trying to sound insulting, but are you still taking serious pain medication? Because you're really out on a limb there, Butch. You're making zilch sense.


You know you are not the first to ask me that question...hmmm...it is past my fix time. And kittinSol is it not just a little hypocritical to criticize my posts as not making sense?

Remember on my island in the universe my posts only need to make sense to me…you are only along for the ride.


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