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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 5:28:42 AM   
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Unfortunately, I have to disagree about the minimus dickus theory of conservatives. It's clear that they reproduce, therefore they have to have some evolutionary advantages. At least a few of them have to be hung, or the species would die out.


Not necessarily, the prohibition against sex before marriage is the perfect scheme for those of inadequate endowment and ability to stay in the gene pool.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 5:30:15 AM   
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We have territories all over the globe. We control the bulk of the Western hemisphere economically. We have strong military presence multiple places. We invade countries "preemptively."

And there's this large fundamentalist neo-con Family conservative Christian group that wants to literally conquer the world.

You're making this stuff up.



Facts are facts ... I am not justifying our political stands over the years ...just the results.

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And the facts say bullshit.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 5:41:55 AM   
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The premise doesn't surprise Me at all. Those that question the status quo are often the ones who expand knowledge

Newton was at the very least an agnostic at a time when being a faculty member of Trinity College made it mandatory to Belive in the religious dogma.

Richard Feynman was the same way


What I've read about Newton, he was sure there was some sort of Diety but probably not the Diety taught in church.  He looked to science to try to understand the nature of "God". 

I'm not entirely sure that intelligent people would be liberals and atheists.  But then I'm not intelligent.  I'm very liberal in some areas, very conservative in others.  I look at each issue on its own merits.  I don't accept a Baptist, Fundamentalist view of God but I do believe there exists a Spirit, or Energy that has commonly been named "God" or even gods. 

One thing I do see as being important is having an inquisitive and open mind.  One should not automatically shut out an idea just because it is new or foreign to ones own experience.  It is that inquisitiveness that expands and enriches us.  Explore, invent, seek, ask, knock, question.  Those are the things that promote growth and once one stops growing one can only finish the process of dying.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 5:50:21 AM   
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1. Academia used to be formed of liberal types.  My father was a professor, and I went to college and remember that the entire college of Arts and Sciences (i.e., Humanities) was formed of people with a liberal bent.  (I make no claims about the professors in Engineering and Science fields because they never discussed their ideology.)

There are now colleges that have faculty that have conservative leanings.  Not just BYU and Oral Roberts , but mainstream ones.  So I wouldn't be surprised if better education corresponds with liberal ideology now, but that may change in another generation.

2. The idea that for men, higher education correlates to monogamy - I don't follow.  I suspect that for the less educated classes, you'll find some people that will fuck anything they can.  If you go up to the solid middle class, you'll find a high degree of monogamy.  But if you go to the privileged classes, I suspect you'll find men with huge egos that think they can do anything they want - Clinton, Tiger Woods, etc.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 6:19:40 AM   
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I get a kick out of these silly studies...always trying to pigeonhole people in one group or another while at the same time missing the big picture.

The United States is the strongest country the world has ever seen…the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?

Becuase...We are a majority Christian nation…conservatives and liberals alike with morals, provided and followed, by the Christian religion.

So we as a group managed to reach this pinnacle of civilization with the majority believing in God…I guess intelligence means little in the accumulation of power and world dominance then. If this is the case then maybe atheistic intelligence isn’t all it is cracked up to be.

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Ah yes, a condescending superiority complex wrapped in the guise of patriotism combined with a self-righteous Christian "morality".

God bless America.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 6:30:07 AM   
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There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.

I'm glad we proved ourselves better than that but to deny that the opportunity was there and that we passed it up is a denial of reality.



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the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?
Really...seems to me that you are having a hard time conquering friggen Afghanistan, let alone the whole world.
The only reason the US has not conquered the world is because it can't do it...period. You have nearly bankrupted your country trying to take and control Iraq & Afghanistan....how much do you figure it will cost to conquer & occupy Russia and China. get sensible, it has nothing to do with christianity, it has to do with simple facts. Yes the US is the strongest nation on earth, but it is nowhere near strong enough to conquer the whole fucking planet.



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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 6:41:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.
I'm glad we proved ourselves better than that but to deny that the opportunity was there and that we passed it up is a denial of reality.

This, even for you goes beyond the pale, militarily we were at the end of our rope. The servicemen were getting 20 bucks a week for 52 weeks unemployment. The thing that saved us was the fact that you couldn't buy anygoddamnthing because it was all going to war consumption, so folks had lots and lots and lots of cash. But we were in no shape for world domination, militarily, we were as spent as spent could be. The government had alot of debt and owed the american people and by god spent it on them.





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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 6:46:48 AM   
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The idea that for men, higher education correlates to monogamy - I don't follow.


Academics are lucky just to get laid by one person most of the time, believe me, I see them every day... and whilst they are interesting to talk to, often have a great sense of humor... well fashionistas and super models they ain't. There is one professor I know whose wife divorced him... joined match.com, all he does is complain about it...


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 7:10:19 AM   
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We managed to occupy Germany and Japan and otherwise build military bases all over the planet though, and to fight a fifty year cold war, and fight wars in Korea and Vietnam, etc.

It would have been a lot easier and cheaper to use fewer soldiers who were ordered to nuke anything that even looked at them funny.

Don't you think?


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There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.
I'm glad we proved ourselves better than that but to deny that the opportunity was there and that we passed it up is a denial of reality.

This, even for you goes beyond the pale, militarily we were at the end of our rope. The servicemen were getting 20 bucks a week for 52 weeks unemployment. The thing that saved us was the fact that you couldn't buy anygoddamnthing because it was all going to war consumption, so folks had lots and lots and lots of cash. But we were in no shape for world domination, militarily, we were as spent as spent could be. The government had alot of debt and owed the american people and by god spent it on them.






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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 7:14:25 AM   
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And with all our nukes why didnt we take out china in korea rather than getting slaughtered by them, or vietnam?



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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:10:08 AM   
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The United States is the strongest country the world has ever seen…the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?

Becuase...We are a majority Christian nation…conservatives and liberals alike with morals, provided and followed, by the Christian religion.


The UK has always been a majority Christian country, I think Germany was always a majority Christian country probably France too. Christian values didn't stop these nations from imposing their will on the world through empire building. The only reason the US didn't is because it's a secondary nation and was founded on the basis of avoiding such past tyranny. If we in Europe hadn't made these mistakes I have no doubt the US would have favoured having an empire but it was never fashionable by the time the US had its chance at empire building. Instead it likes to pretend it doesn't have an overbearing control on every other nations dealings.

The US is just like one of those umbrella corporations that pretends it has a wide variety of brands each with self determination. Not like the type of corporation that likes to buy up companies and rename them. The ultimate aim of total control is the same but they sell it differently.

As for the op I think conservatives are just as smart. Just look at the way they manipulate the truth and sell it as lies. They are conceited and know exactly how to keep the social imbalance for their benefit.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:39:20 AM   
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the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?
Really...seems to me that you are having a hard time conquering friggen Afghanistan, let alone the whole world.
The only reason the US has not conquered the world is because it can't do it...period. You have nearly bankrupted your country trying to take and control Iraq & Afghanistan....how much do you figure it will cost to conquer & occupy Russia and China. get sensible, it has nothing to do with christianity, it has to do with simple facts. Yes the US is the strongest nation on earth, but it is nowhere near strong enough to conquer the whole fucking planet.



At the end of WWII, if the US had wished, we could have conquered the whole fucking planet...in your words...we did not do it. Once Russia got the bomb the opportunity passed. But the ring was there to grab.

Now please tell me how any nation could have stopped us if we so choosed.

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:43:55 AM   
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the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?
Really...seems to me that you are having a hard time conquering friggen Afghanistan, let alone the whole world.
The only reason the US has not conquered the world is because it can't do it...period. You have nearly bankrupted your country trying to take and control Iraq & Afghanistan....how much do you figure it will cost to conquer & occupy Russia and China. get sensible, it has nothing to do with christianity, it has to do with simple facts. Yes the US is the strongest nation on earth, but it is nowhere near strong enough to conquer the whole fucking planet.



At the end of WWII, if the US had wished, we could have conquered the whole fucking planet...in your words...we did not do it. Once Russia got the bomb the opportunity passed. But the ring was there to grab.

Now please tell me how any nation could have stopped us if we so choosed.

Butch



You know, WWII ended a long fucking time ago, a different day has dawned...

And yeah, we could have bombed the planet, how profitable would this approach have been for us?


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:49:21 AM   
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Historically, and even to this day, there have been more crimes commited and innocent lives taken in the name of Christianity than in any other religion or cause. That is not my opinion, that is historical fact.





Prove it

But you miss my point...I am not defending religion or the history of the US... I am saying… if the premise of this thread is true.... then intelligence has little to do with what is important in this world. I stated facts…the US is a majority Christian country… The US is and has been the most powerful country ever to grace this earth. It has nothing to do with pride in country or religion…Just the facts madam.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:55:58 AM   
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the only one that had the power to conquer the world…and did not do it…why?
Really...seems to me that you are having a hard time conquering friggen Afghanistan, let alone the whole world.
The only reason the US has not conquered the world is because it can't do it...period. You have nearly bankrupted your country trying to take and control Iraq & Afghanistan....how much do you figure it will cost to conquer & occupy Russia and China. get sensible, it has nothing to do with christianity, it has to do with simple facts. Yes the US is the strongest nation on earth, but it is nowhere near strong enough to conquer the whole fucking planet.



At the end of WWII, if the US had wished, we could have conquered the whole fucking planet...in your words...we did not do it. Once Russia got the bomb the opportunity passed. But the ring was there to grab.

Now please tell me how any nation could have stopped us if we so choosed.

Butch



You know, WWII ended a long fucking time ago, a different day has dawned...

And yeah, we could have bombed the planet, how profitable would this approach have been for us?




You are naive...we would not have needed to bomb the planet... Just the threat would have been enough.

Russia would have been the only problem but they could not mass armies under an atomic threat.

But it is silly to argue what did not happen or deny we did not have the power to do it if we chose.

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:09:52 AM   
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Ah yes, a condescending superiority complex wrapped in the guise of patriotism combined with a self-righteous Christian "morality".

God bless America.




Besides the miss spellings rule I'm surprised you read my statements wrong.

Many people on this board equate majority conservatism with the fanatic religious right…far from the truth.

Trying to equate atheism with intelligence and say the majority of the religious have lower intelligence and therefore conservatives must be less intelligent is not supported by world events, facts, and the present state of this world.

But if it is true then being atheistically intelligent is not an advantage in Darwin’s world when it comes to survival of the fittest.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:12:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are also making the mistake of not recognising the difference between producing a couple of bombs and mass producing enough to threaten the rest of the world. By the time you had those scales of production in place Russia had caught up. Therefore your are arguing from a very weak position. It doesn't actually take much effort on the part of other nations to remove the organisation structure of a single country. You could perhaps threaten a few countries but your leaders would have to have had eyes in the back of their heads to avoid the repercussions of doing such.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:15:10 AM   
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You are naive...we would not have needed to bomb the planet... Just the threat would have been enough.

Russia would have been the only problem but they could not mass armies under an atomic threat.

But it is silly to argue what did not happen or deny we did not have the power to do it if we chose.

Butch


You do not understand that we do not have enough people to control the entire planet... especially back in those days...

I am not naive, you are, you are naive to think that any of this is about national control, it is about economic control. If the powers that be can control through the markets they are more than happy to let people go on believing in nationalism and cultural superiority of all stripes... just don't interfere with their bottom line.

It has been this way since Smedley Butler gave his speech about war being a racket and since Eisenhower spoke of the military industrial complex... Now you go on believing in fairy tales of our ability to conquer the world... the world had changed by WWII... with such occurrences as the English being kicked out of India, and the French out of Vietnam, it was pretty clear that the planet was changing, even then.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:18:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not at all... it took Russia a number of years to catch up... At the end of WWII we had the capability to build many bombs and in a short time. No one else was even close or capable of mass production.

If we want to get stupid arguing the obvious then a few well placed bombs, from the most powerful air force at that time, would have ended Russia’s ability to produce atomic weapons.

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:24:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps your air force is number one but your intelligence services have always been shocking bad. You'd have to know where they were developing their programmes to destroy them and if you had the intelligence rather than falling for a load of misdirection from the Soviets then you probably would have.

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