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Bodhisatva -> RE: Was jesus the messiah? (2/27/2010 10:33:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Dominasola
If I may be so bold as to add some food for thought...
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there are still a myriad of messianic prophicies jesus did not fullfill.
Are you ONLY sourcing the Bible making this statement? Because there are also a myriad of documents about Jesus that didn't make it into the canonized New Testament. The New Testament as we read it today only exists because the Early Church Fathers (like Origen, Irenaeus, Athanasius, Synod...) tried to produce a collection of works about Jesus that contradicted one another as little as possible. There are many things he did in the non-canonized gospels that don't occur in the canonized ones.
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Yes there were many books left out. Thanks to discoveries made in the last century, we have a more complete idea of what those were. Many of the books left out are what we know call gnostic texts. They were written long after jesus was dead, long after his disciples were dead, and long after their disciples were dead. Historically the books of the bible are not the most accurate, but historians look at certian factors to determine the likeness of accuracy. One key factor is the amount of time that has elapsed between the event and the authors writing on it. The gnostic text were far removed from the actual events. Plus, regaurdless of what texts have been lost, we know some prophicies couldn't have been fullfilled, like the messiah bringing world piece. Do you recall any world piece in the history books?
Fine, but if we read Exodus, we discover that the Israelites were slaves to the Egpytians for some time. It is reasonable to assume that they may have adopted many aspects of Egyptian culture, simply because they were there for so long.
It is reasonable to speculate this because there is HISTORICAL evidence of this cultural assimilation happening specifically with the Israelites. When King Cyrus of Persia defeated the Babylonians and re-established Jerusalem and the temple for the Israelites, they began to adopt many aspects of Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians were seen as "messiahs" in the sense that they saved the Israelites from the bondage of the Babylonians.
Yes there is compelling historical evidence to suggest culture from other civilizations have worked there way into jewish lore through the years. Still, I'm approaching this topic from a scriptural standpoint. If I was to approach it with history (a perfectly valid approach) I'd be presenting a different set of facts. Plus, you still would have to show that this particular aspect of egyptian culture was a) real (there is no historical evidence to suggest the hebrew people were ever enslaved in egypt, suggesting that the mosses story is complete fiction and b) if it is real that this practice was carried by the escaping hebrew people and maintained for years until their kingdom was established and a king placed on the throne. And even if you did, this would still leave the issue that the prophicies call for the messiah to be of the seed of david. This isn't just about right to rule but the fullfillment of prophicy.
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