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juliaoceania -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:15:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

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ORIGINAL: Psykic

Oh, I hope that my post did not come off as hostile, by the way.


Your post has been one of the most intelligent posts on this thread...don't worry.  I, for one, hope you choose to post more often.

Welcome! 


Me too. I enjoyed your post enough to perv your profile...




LadyAngelika -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:16:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psykic

Oh, I hope that my post did not come off as hostile, by the way. The sarcastic part was mostly to be amusing while making a point. I am very in favor of this discussion, I just wanted to voice some things that I believe are misconceptions.

Also, as I forgot to mention it earlier, I have noticed that there seem to be a much higher rate of aspies in the BDSM community than in the general population. I suspect it is partially because we don't have the same distinctions as neurotypicals about what is normal and what is taboo, and because it allows us to utilize the open-mindedness and creativity that seem to be common traits.



That is an interesting observation. I wish pyroaquatic was around to discuss this and his thread. He's travelling now but he'll be back soon. Clever, clever kid he is.

And btw, sarcasm is generally cool here as long as you also show compassion. I loved the comparaison.

- LA




BLoved -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:19:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer
i was referring to people with asperger's who don't know that they have it; specifically, people who are on the more severe end of the spectrum. in my list up there ...

i know i'm rationalizing ...

... again though, from the messages i've gotten here, i'm honestly wondering about people with asperger's who do need some sort of help. i mean that in the least offensive possible way.


~smile~

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Jeffff -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:21:08 PM)

Ever wonder how some folks can be completly out of touch?

Do you think it is too easy to get on tis here interweb thingy?

Jeff




thepillowdreamer -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:24:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psykic
Oh, I hope that my post did not come off as hostile, by the way. The sarcastic part was mostly to be amusing while making a point. I am very in favor of this discussion, I just wanted to voice some things that I believe are misconceptions.

Also, as I forgot to mention it earlier, I have noticed that there seem to be a much higher rate of aspies in the BDSM community than in the general population. I suspect it is partially because we don't have the same distinctions as neurotypicals about what is normal and what is taboo, and because it allows us to utilize the open-mindedness and creativity that seem to be common traits.


no, it's just me. i'm just fucked up all over, can be insensitive, and it hurts people. you're being incredibly decent about this, because you could totally be a dick right now and not be in the wrong for it.

i feel like this, but this is interesting. we're trading ideas, which i guess is getting the op's point across, in a shitty, roundabout way.




camille65 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:24:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer

obviously i got you riled up, and i can understand why. i worded myself in typical shitty manner, apparently started a topic that people don't want to talk about, and i don't know. i'm sorry. sincerely.

i'm not a bad person, but i do believe that asperger's is an illness. just like my anxiety and depression is an illness. good things have come of those, too, as well as the bad.

as far as how i worded myself in the op: i was referring to people with asperger's who don't know that they have it; specifically, people who are on the more severe end of the spectrum. in my list up there, i wasn't making a rush to judgment or anything, but going by the people i was an aide for; these are people who bite (and break skin) when someone accidentally brush against them, who can't function in public to the point of me panicking and thinking that they've gone catatonic, and do hold deep obsessions.

i know i'm rationalizing, but i am sorry that i offended you and anyone else with high-functioning asperger's. i hate it when people make assumptions about my handicaps, and i'm sorry that i made you feel that shitty.

again though, from the messages i've gotten here, i'm honestly wondering about people with asperger's who do need some sort of help. i mean that in the least offensive possible way.



tpd I don't think it is a topic that people don't want to discuss, but I do think that your approach in your OP is what the problem is. There were inaccuracies and assumptions, then of course Bob got involved which always makes things worse.

If you discount his posts I think you will find that no one was angry or upset with you as a person, but rather there was some hesitation toward you due to your phrasing.

It happens. Hopefully you will get past it and not make the same mistake again, but if you do then you do. If people were really truly angry with you, you would know.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:26:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer
head to google or open up a textbook if you want more info on the subject
medication helps, a lot, and will improve their quality of life

By the way, you should heed your own advice. There is NO medication for Asperger syndrome. In fact, it's one of the only conditions for which there is no medical treatment whatsoever. :)



As a mother of an Asperger syndrome child, you are completely wrong. There is much medication for individual symptoms.

To the OP, you have a lot of nerve with your negative bits about Aspergers. People with Aspergers have much about them thats great. I find your one dimensional view of their deficits judgemental in a way no person with Aspergers is. As far as the victim complex...hardly. And they stand up for fairness and social justice and are more kind and sensitive than you have a right to be given to you.




Jeffff -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:27:17 PM)

I thought the OP was tongue in cheek. I was amused.

But then again I am an insensitive Internet prick.


~giggles~




camille65 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:28:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I thought the OP was tongue in cheek. I was amused.

But then again I am an insensitive Internet prick.


~giggles~


Huh. And here I always thought that anteaters possess very sensitive.... bits.




LadyAngelika -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:28:56 PM)

You're the InterWebDom!!

~laffs~

- LA




heartcream -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:34:52 PM)

Asparagus!




Jeffff -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:36:35 PM)

I hate asparagus!

I an not a huge fan of the vegetable at all really.


PickyDom




camille65 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:39:11 PM)

I'd like it more if it didn't cause stinky pee.

[:D]




thepillowdreamer -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:39:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
To the OP, you have a lot of nerve with your negative bits about Aspergers. People with Aspergers have much about them thats great. I find your one dimensional view of their deficits judgemental in a way no person with Aspergers is. As far as the victim complex...hardly. And they stand up for fairness and social justice and are more kind and sensitive than you have a right to be given to you.


i'm not harassing anyone with asperger's. i do not have a one-dimensional view of anyone who does have it. i am referring to people who are, to put it nicely, not functioning on an independent level. i think you're damning me just a little bit, there. and yes, i am holding my tongue.

i was noticed something and was curious. i wanted to start up a conversation. we now have people from every side of the issue discussing, even people who can enlighten me because they have knowledge i obviously wouldn't. this is a delicate and interesting conversation, even though i've obviously been an ass.

and now i'm disambiguating the op.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:44:19 PM)

To the OP,

Just want you to know after reading the whole thread, I believe you are sincere and just came off wrong. And I am not sure but it seems that whatever treatment facility you are working at. Well if people are there, they have problems. But the ones functioning are living well with Aspergers. I would suggest you try to rent a movie that was out last summer called "Adam". Its about a young adult living with Aspergers and it shows how much they can truly accomplish.

Psykik demonstarted the itelligence and graciousness of the person with Aspergers. I am always amazed by their excitement and sense of wonder and their fresh views. There writing abilities are truly amazing and their high intellect makes them better than the rest of us mere humans.

I really feel that they are gifts to the world and we can learn so much from them.




thepillowdreamer -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:44:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
To the OP, you have a lot of nerve with your negative bits about Aspergers. People with Aspergers have much about them thats great. I find your one dimensional view of their deficits judgemental in a way no person with Aspergers is. As far as the victim complex...hardly. And they stand up for fairness and social justice and are more kind and sensitive than you have a right to be given to you.


i'm not harassing anyone with asperger's. i do not have a one-dimensional view of anyone who does have it. i am referring to people who are, to put it nicely, not functioning on an independent level. i think you're damning me just a little bit, there. and yes, i am holding my tongue.

i was noticed something and was curious. i wanted to start up a conversation. we now have people from every side of the issue discussing, even people who can enlighten me because they have knowledge i obviously wouldn't. this is a delicate and interesting conversation, even though i've obviously been an ass.

and now i'm disambiguating the op.



as an afterthought: i have a few relatives with severe developmental disorders. i fucking hate it when people assume that one of those relatives is some mindlessly jovial innocent woman-child just because of her condition. i hate this because she isn't innocent, she is childlike, and she certainly isn't jovial.

i don't like this cousin. not because she a genetic defect, but because she's a bitch. and as a human being, she has a right to be a bitch. she's not a token.




came4U -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 7:49:08 PM)

I viewed 2 pages, quickly

all I recall is a blurr and
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i didn't start this thread to demean anyone, or make umbrella assumptions.


but isn't that what your OP meant/is?

I have been to university for psychology, psy-forensics but blaaa bla...this is a website no? a kink site. Did you expect to find only the *perks NORMAL in here? I don't toss around random diagnoses of a genuine 'namesake' of a disease...no matter what personality they exibit. That is like me telling someone on the health forum that I suggest they get their breast removed because I suspect a cancer. ...

You intend to label the people that have written you/or encountered with a label of a psychological/mental disorder without due qualification or justification.

In that case, I would have a few names on that level to call you.

*as others may.

so do you want US to make a list of what we ASSUME you are?

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as an afterthought: i have a few relatives with severe developmental disorders. i fucking hate it when people assume that one of those relatives is some mindlessly jovial innocent woman-child just because of her condition. i hate this because she isn't innocent, she is childlike, and she certainly isn't jovial.

i don't like this cousin. not because she a genetic defect, but because she's a bitch. and as a human being, she has a right to be a bitch. she's not a token.


oook, well, we can see that this is a personal problem.

oh goodies. So in the end this has nothing to do with your issues with CM 'people', it has more to do with the unresolved family problems that we are now burdened with?

gottcha.





thepillowdreamer -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 8:00:24 PM)

let me start over...

there are a lot of people with asperger's syndrome who aren't functioning on an independent level. i've volunteered for these people and got to know them as people with severe disabilities. this is vastly different from anyone with asperger's on a low level scale. who i'm referring to would be people who are undiagnosed, un-medicated, and not functioning at their full potential because of it - people on this site.

i'm not diagnosing anybody. i'm not encouraging that diagnoses be made here, obviously. what i'm wondering, though, is the possibility of people here with a degree of this that would require that they have a private or state-appointed helper.

this isn't all-encompassing, but some signs of this would be:
  •  obsession with one or two topics. true love, the perfect slave/dom, whatever.
  •   paranoia and abominable victim complex.
  •   self-obsession.
  •   low self-esteem.
  •   extreme terseness when communicating with others, along with difficulty communicating with others in general.
  •   being so on the defensive that they are offensive.
  •   flashes of irrational anger. (tantrums)
  •   inability to engage in regular conversation: this goes back to the obsessions.




camille65 -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 8:02:36 PM)

Good job on the rewrite tpd.




thepillowdreamer -> RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? (2/28/2010 8:05:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U
oook, well, we can see that this is a personal problem.

oh goodies. So in the end this has nothing to do with your issues with CM 'people', it has more to do with the unresolved family problems that we are now burdened with?

gottcha.


not at all. what i meant when i posted that is that the general consensus about people with down syndrome is that they're all the same. they're angelic tokens. i've noticed that a lot, and it's not true at all. people are people are people: we just come in different flavors and packaging, is all.

i don't like it when people assume that my cousin is like everyone else with down syndrome, and i didn't like when someone assumed that everyone with autism is the same, and i didn't like it when i unintentionally made the same foot-in-mouth insinuation.

this is an open forum and i'm genuinely curious.




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