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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/13/2010 7:12:33 PM   
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It isn't because Joe Schmo goes to church on Sunday and asks God to give him guidance on accepting a job in Seattle or Jenny Sue asks God to protect her unborn fetus from harm, or because Mrs Smith prays her kid gets into Yale...


Our last president launched an ill-conceived, unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country that had never attacked us - resulting in a million civilian deaths, a billion new people peeved at us, and a trillion dollars of debt - because a voice identifying itself as "God" told him to "liberate the people of Iraq". (The Palestinian foreign minister is on record as having been confided this by Mr. Bush.)

Granted, there were other voices - principally oil industry reps who'd contributed millions to putting their man in charge of our Armed Forces - whispering in George's ear and rattling around in his head as well. But don't discount the bad advice these imagined Ominpotent Advisers can put in the heads of the afflicted.

Unmedicated schizophrenia, presented symptomatically by a belief in a Magic Father Figure in the Sky, does have consequences.

What century is it now? Which one will it be when humankind grows up? How long do we have to wait?

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/13/2010 7:24:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not an athesiest. I am an American. I believe in MYSELF and th POWER OF INTELLECT.

Religion is a decietful way for evil men to divide and conquer the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Our founding fathers are being drowned in the blood of innocent American children. Believe it or not, America is currently ingaged in a holey war.
Holey men are not whole and they will eternally seek more holey ground to absorb the blood from their child sacrifices.

Our children are suffering serious post traumatic stress disorder. They have been mutilated by ther parents and abandoned by their country.
Religion in America does not create terrorists....it creates uni bombers. (aka angry man syndrome)


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/13/2010 10:48:36 PM   
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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/13/2010 10:53:17 PM   
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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/13/2010 10:56:03 PM   
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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 7:02:44 AM   
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You are a fear mongering person and have much more in common with the likes of Dick Cheney than I do... look at what you post because people believe differently! Even comparing people to Nazis, etc, because they want to believe life has more meaning than we are born and die and that there is a plan out there for them.

What ,do you want to round up all the faithful and deport them? Maybe put them in reeducation camps?


This is exactly why the "true believers" annoy me so much.

Can we possibly find more hyperbole?
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Wow... you are astonishing... laughing at you... seriously, you are what gives Atheists a bad name...


Yet again I have to repeat myself, I do not label myself as an atheist, as I've said before, which you apparently missed or willfully choose to ignore.
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I didn't have any negative experiences to taint my view... irreligious parents and irreligious myself... I have no soldier in your crusade.


Uhhhhhhhhhh.......................okay.

After spending most of this thread defending a belief in God and attacking me as an atheist you now state that you are irreligious.

Hey, guess what?  Irreligious is a synonym for atheist.






No... Irreligious means this

Irreligion is an absence of, indifference towards, and/or hostility towards religion.[1] Depending on the context, it may be understood as referring to atheism, deism, nontheism, agnosticism, ignosticism, antireligion, skepticism, freethought, or secular humanism. Irreligious people may have convictions equal in depth to those of religious adherents. For instance, followers of the life stance of Humanism may regard themselves as just as deeply believing in their life stance as corresponding to any religious belief.


I am kinda agnostic

BUT I study religion... for the third time let me post this... I study religion ACADEMICALLY from an anthropological perspective. My thesis topic is about sacred language in secular places.I do not put one religion above another. I have no interest in that, and I include atheism in the pantheon of beliefs out there. No better and no worse than Islam, or Judaism...

You are the one that has filled this thread with hyperbole, all because I do not agree with your hate mongering toward religious people... they are human being just like you. You sound like an atheist Pat Robertson... shameful really

I mean first you call me religious... as that should dismiss me, and then you compare me to republicans.... and then you accuse me of hyperbole when I throw it back at you. Up until this thread I had always respected your insights and looked forward to your post....I won't read your posts in the same way anymore. I will always remember this thread and an obviously irrational person who posts abuse at someone because they have a differing opinion. You have an exceedingly closed mind and will jump on any poll, no matter how badly worded to "prove" something about an entire group of people that believe differently than you...sad really


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 7:14:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PenOnBeadedChain

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
It isn't because Joe Schmo goes to church on Sunday and asks God to give him guidance on accepting a job in Seattle or Jenny Sue asks God to protect her unborn fetus from harm, or because Mrs Smith prays her kid gets into Yale...


Our last president launched an ill-conceived, unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country that had never attacked us - resulting in a million civilian deaths, a billion new people peeved at us, and a trillion dollars of debt - because a voice identifying itself as "God" told him to "liberate the people of Iraq". (The Palestinian foreign minister is on record as having been confided this by Mr. Bush.)

Granted, there were other voices - principally oil industry reps who'd contributed millions to putting their man in charge of our Armed Forces - whispering in George's ear and rattling around in his head as well. But don't discount the bad advice these imagined Ominpotent Advisers can put in the heads of the afflicted.






There were ALWAYS other voices that guided Bush... look up Project for a New American Century... that war had little to do with god


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Unmedicated schizophrenia, presented symptomatically by a belief in a Magic Father Figure in the Sky, does have consequences.


What century is it now? Which one will it be when humankind grows up? How long do we have to wait?


We are talking about this poll. This poll... the way it is written... anyone that believed in god could answer it that way. If you are going to equate a belief in god with schizophrenia then I guess a large majority of the world is schizophrenic... very few people are atheists. It must be nice to feel so fucking superior to faithful people that you have deemed them unevolved and crazy....

The poll did not ask if we should conduct our national policy according to god's will... It did not ask if Haiti had an Earthquake because they pissed a deity off. It asked loose questions about how people feel god figures into their personal lives. It has nothing to do with national policy, etc. I bet the answers would have been different had the questions been proposed that way. Of course there would be overlap in the result, but the poll numbers would not be so high. Most people do not believe Pat Robertson's vision of the world is right, and most Americans do not believe GW talked to god.... so why stretch this poll about how people feel god figures into their lives and make it about the most squirly of so-called christians among us





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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 9:17:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Religious people are not evolving properly.

If religion had it's way every scientific/anthropological study that you learn about in school would be burned and destroyed.

Religion throughout history has tried to destroy inquiring minds and limit learning.

Galileo is a perfect example.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 9:44:07 AM   
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Religious people are not evolving properly.

If religion had it's way every scientific/anthropological study that you learn about in school would be burned and destroyed.

Religion throughout history has tried to destroy inquiring minds and limit learning.

Galileo is a perfect example.


Which "religion"?

I had a professor that taught one of my religion and anthropology classes. He taught all the major theories of religion,... including those that would reduce religion to being "primitive man's science". He taught all of these theories, and no one in the classroom knew he was Catholic. I only knew this because he was my undergrad adviser. He managed to separate his religion from his anthropological inquiry pretty well, mostly because today's cultural anthropology champions the rights of people to their own indigenous belief systems. I do not believe in witchcraft, but I would rather understand the belief and how it fits in with the larger culture that believes that way than to ridicule the belief in it out of hand.

Your statements on this thread show someone who I suspect has a lot of issues, so I usually do not respond to you, but if other people read this post, perhaps they can find some acceptance for others who believe differently than they do and try to understand where those people come from instead of dismissing them all as being one thing. Not all religious people are christian, not all Christians are trying to regress humanity, not all of the feel threatened by science either.


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 9:51:13 AM   
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Religious people are not evolving properly.

If religion had it's way every scientific/anthropological study that you learn about in school would be burned and destroyed.

Religion throughout history has tried to destroy inquiring minds and limit learning.

Galileo is a perfect example.


Which "religion"?

I had a professor that taught one of my religion and anthropology classes. He taught all the major theories of religion,... including those that would reduce religion to being "primitive man's science". He taught all of these theories, and no one in the classroom knew he was Catholic. I only knew this because he was my undergrad adviser. He managed to separate his religion from his anthropological inquiry pretty well, mostly because today's cultural anthropology champions the rights of people to their own indigenous belief systems. I do not believe in witchcraft, but I would rather understand the belief and how it fits in with the larger culture that believes that way than to ridicule the belief in it out of hand.

Your statements on this thread show someone who I suspect has a lot of issues, so I usually do not respond to you, but if other people read this post, perhaps they can find some acceptance for others who believe differently than they do and try to understand where those people come from instead of dismissing them all as being one thing. Not all religious people are christian, not all Christians are trying to regress humanity, not all of the feel threatened by science either.




You were very lucky to be born an American otherwise you wouldn't know anything.
Our founding fathers fought and died for you to go to school. Religion is what most people were running away from.
People were being burned at the stake for thinking outside of the box.
Religion is a prison for the mind.

Physics, Biology, Chemestry, Mathematics......these are the thing that will insure a future for your children.


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 4:48:07 PM   
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You were very lucky to be born an American otherwise you wouldn't know anything.

So if one isn't born American, they know nothing ?

Our founding fathers fought and died for you to go to school. Religion is what most people were running away from.

You may want a refresher course in AMerican History. While religion was not the cause of the Revolution, the Revolution and founding fathers changed the traditional European model between government and religion. Religion is defunately intertwined.

People were being burned at the stake for thinking outside of the box.

The last burning at the stake in England was in the 1600's. To my knowledge there has not been any sanctified burnings at the stake in the US.

Religion is a prison for the mind.
Not for my mind, tyvm

Physics, Biology, Chemestry, Mathematics......these are the thing that will insure a future for your children.

Are their not people of religion who go into those fields. How do you reconcile that one ?  A Jewish math teacher, a Baptist pharmacist, A Muslim Radiologist ?




In as much as some religious people are intolerant of those who don't share their beliefs, you appear no better than them. You just have a different yardstick to measure with. Both wrong.  < IMO >

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 5:14:49 PM   
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You were very lucky to be born an American otherwise you wouldn't know anything.

So if one isn't born American, they know nothing ?

Our founding fathers fought and died for you to go to school. Religion is what most people were running away from.

You may want a refresher course in AMerican History. While religion was not the cause of the Revolution, the Revolution and founding fathers changed the traditional European model between government and religion. Religion is defunately intertwined.

People were being burned at the stake for thinking outside of the box.

The last burning at the stake in England was in the 1600's. To my knowledge there has not been any sanctified burnings at the stake in the US.

Religion is a prison for the mind.
Not for my mind, tyvm

Physics, Biology, Chemestry, Mathematics......these are the thing that will insure a future for your children.

Are their not people of religion who go into those fields. How do you reconcile that one ?  A Jewish math teacher, a Baptist pharmacist, A Muslim Radiologist ?




In as much as some religious people are intolerant of those who don't share their beliefs, you appear no better than them. You just have a different yardstick to measure with. Both wrong.  < IMO >

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but but but...MY YARDSTICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS!

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 5:30:27 PM   
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If religion had it's way every scientific/anthropological study that you learn about in school would be burned and destroyed.

Religion throughout history has tried to destroy inquiring minds and limit learning.

Galileo is a perfect example.

You were very lucky to be born an American otherwise you wouldn't know anything.
Our founding fathers fought and died for you to go to school. Religion is what most people were running away from.
People were being burned at the stake for thinking outside of the box.
Religion is a prison for the mind.

Physics, Biology, Chemestry, Mathematics......these are the thing that will insure a future for your children.



Have you ever considered actually reading some history?

In all those centuries before government finally got the bright idea of running schools, guess who was doing it, bella? Here's a hint: same folks who invented universities.

In the centuries when Europe was at its lowest ebb, it was the monasteries that collected and preserved knowledge. This is ridiculously easy to verify. Please feel free.

And you might want to read a bit more about Galileo. There's no doubt that Church officials did him wrong, rather stupidly -- and he took as much crap from fellow scientists and scholars as he did from the Church -- but if you read the story at some point in the future, you'll find that Galileo remained a devout Catholic to his death, and a close friend of the Pope.  More important, you'll be reminded -- and I'm sure you've just forgotten this -- that the Church remained the largest source of funding for science. Most of the major scientific discoveries came about because the Church was paying scientists to do science.

You're allowed your hatred, but please, remember that making up "history" to attack other people is its own prison for the mind.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 5:38:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mcbride

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

If religion had it's way every scientific/anthropological study that you learn about in school would be burned and destroyed.

Religion throughout history has tried to destroy inquiring minds and limit learning.

Galileo is a perfect example.

You were very lucky to be born an American otherwise you wouldn't know anything.
Our founding fathers fought and died for you to go to school. Religion is what most people were running away from.
People were being burned at the stake for thinking outside of the box.
Religion is a prison for the mind.

Physics, Biology, Chemestry, Mathematics......these are the thing that will insure a future for your children.



Have you ever considered actually reading some history?

In all those centuries before government finally got the bright idea of running schools, guess who was doing it, bella? Here's a hint: same folks who invented universities.

In the centuries when Europe was at its lowest ebb, it was the monasteries that collected and preserved knowledge. This is ridiculously easy to verify. Please feel free.

And you might want to read a bit more about Galileo. There's no doubt that Church officials did him wrong, rather stupidly -- and he took as much crap from fellow scientists and scholars as he did from the Church -- but if you read the story at some point in the future, you'll find that Galileo remained a devout Catholic to his death, and a close friend of the Pope.  More important, you'll be reminded -- and I'm sure you've just forgotten this -- that the Church remained the largest source of funding for science. Most of the major scientific discoveries came about because the Church was paying scientists to do science.

You're allowed your hatred, but please, remember that making up "history" to attack other people is its own prison for the mind.



Circumcision is sadistic sexual torture.

Ewe people really need to get over your HATE speach.

YES...I HATE PEPOLE THAT CUT THEIR CHILDRENS PENISES!

Child abuse is wrong. JEWS AND MUSLIMS AND MOST AMERICANS ARE GUILTY OF CUTTTING THEIR CHILDREN.

I am not going to stop saying the truth. Religion condones child abuse!

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 5:53:50 PM   
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Well, now you're back to merely off topic. Rant away.

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Circumcision is sadistic sexual torture.

Ewe people really need to get over your HATE speach.

YES...I HATE PEPOLE THAT CUT THEIR CHILDRENS PENISES!

Child abuse is wrong. JEWS AND MUSLIMS AND MOST AMERICANS ARE GUILTY OF CUTTTING THEIR CHILDREN.

I am not going to stop saying the truth. Religion condones child abuse!

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 6:01:55 PM   
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Wee the people want to know why our stupid American parents chose to cut my dick in the name of God?

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 6:07:00 PM   
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I gotcha ! When faced with facts, or at least valid agruements you just turn the page and find a new twist on an old rant. Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to trap a fart in a mitton. God Love Julia. She has far more patience than I.
Like Mcbride said: Rant away.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 6:09:28 PM   
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Religious people are not evolving properly.


Technically, one doesn't "evolve properly". One just evolves - successful traits survive and continue to be bred into the gene pool, unsuccessful ones die out and are slowly lost. Over time the species changes based on this "natural selection". To say that someone is evolving "properly" would imply that evolution actually had some sort of goal or purpose to it that someone could measure against - which is getting dangerously close to "intelligent design", you radical!

Also - given the widespread nature of religion amongst humans, I would be inclined to say that religious belief might be a survival trait.


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I am not going to stop saying the truth. Religion condones child abuse!


Wake up. Everyone condones child abuse. Whether it's circumcision or drugging kids up with ritalin because they act up or making up new disorders to "treat" them for because they're not acting the way you want or putting them work at 11 years of age because the family can't survive any other way. All sorts of things are done in all sorts of cultures to children that are unhealthy.

Most children survive the negative experiences of their childhood and move on. If the worst thing that ever happens to a child is that he is circumcised, he's probably damn lucky. Some grow up in war zones and see their family die or are sold into child slavery. Some get drowned because the government only allows couples to have one child and they want one of the other sex.

While I can't back this up with statistics, if I had to guess I'd think that the vast majority of people in the United States have their children circumcised not for religious reasons but because they believe there's some medical advantage to the procedure. If that's true then if circumcision is wrong, it's no longer a matter of failed religion - it's a matter of failed science.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 6:12:55 PM   
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http://www.4restore.com/?source=google5

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/14/2010 6:17:32 PM   
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