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ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40

They say there are no atheists in foxholes, yet I don't think many soldiers live godly lives.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife



Where I find a problem is when those religious beliefs have such a profound impact on public policy and thereby an impact on those who do not share those beliefs.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


Here is the thing that amuses me... Atheists run around mocking that which they do not believe as if this is a "rational" position. There is this smugness about many Atheists that I have encountered (not all, but quite a few) because they believe they are right and everyone else is stupid, ignorant, and "irrational". Their self appraisal has its roots deep in their own cultural perspective founded on The Enlightenment movement of European White culture... in other words, founded in the scientific method, logic, and these things have their roots in Colonialism and subjugation of other people based upon the "superiority" of these "enlightened" people. I find the above more frightening than people believing that god, as they understand that concept, has a direct impact on their life. Your statements lump all people of faith into the same pile... you would negate people who believe in the Sacred by making them all out to be like Pat Robertson, which is highly unfair.

I would be sad if it was proven that there was no life after death. I would be sad if I was alone in a disconnected universe. I would be sad if there was no point to it all. I have no horse in the god debate, but I certainly hope Atheists are wrong....People all over the world believe in something larger than themselves... The Enlightenment movement is rather recent, and it brings a lot of baggage with it, just like religions do... be prepared to carry that baggage....

The only intellectually sound position on god is that of agnosticism, because one cannot know whether or not there is a supreme consciousness out there, and to take a position one way or another is a statement of belief... yet Atheists will time and again say they cannot disprove Santa Claus as a support for logically disproving god. Well, I can prove there is no Santa Claus easily, but I cannot prove there is no ultimate consciousness of a creative stripe. Agnosticism also does not assume an answer and it does not negate other people who believe differently.

You want to be smug, go right ahead, I think you are no different than any other person who has The One True Way and ridicules every other way.

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

I think it is very odd that there are so many people that put their faith in god. I believe that the only thing for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
More than 70% of American male babies, Muslims and Jews are strapped down and get their genitals mutilated without anesthetic in the name of god.
Why should wee trust in god if god can't hear wee screams? Circumcision is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION, it is sadistic sexual torture inflected on innocent children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw&feature=related

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

I think it is very odd that there are so many people that put their faith in god. I believe that the only thing for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
More than 70% of American male babies, Muslims and Jews are strapped down and get their genitals mutilated without anesthetic in the name of god.
Why should wee trust in god if god can't hear wee screams? Circumcision is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION, it is sadistic sexual torture inflected on innocent children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw&feature=related

You can't seem to get pass circumcision can you? You have every right to express your opinion on religion but you seem to not want to face facts. God is real if only in the minds of men… that being so it is like sticking your head in the sand not to understand he is real with the power to influence the majority of humans on this earth.

Rant all you want… you will be consider irrelevant unless you learn to deal with people of faith…That does not mean changing your views but does mean being considerate of others who think different than you.

I understand your stance… you may even be right…but you may also be wrong to one extent or another. You can’t be sure but if you believe you are at least use some common sense and decency when dealing with good people who do. If you insist you are right and all those with faith are wrong without tolerance then you are irrelevant and a fool.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: mcbride


Alas, you have it backward. People who have faith have greater responsibility

Here are two short quotes from someone who got something done, Martin Luther King, Jr. on the subject:

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Why not let the majority rule and the laws pass the constitution test.

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ORIGINAL: Brain

People who have faith have greater delusions, in my view.
So if the Catholic Church is evil, anti-Semitic, and I passively accept it without protesting I am really cooperating with it, according to this logic.
I see this as requiring me to confront the evil contributions of the church to humanity. For example, something like child abuse and the church covering it up or brainwashing Hitler that the Jews are Christ killers resulted in the Holocaust.
I would like to see the Catholic Church take responsibility for the Holocaust and child abuse on its hands.

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

Alas, you have it backward. People who have faith have greater responsibility

Here are two short quotes from someone who got something done, Martin Luther King, Jr. on the subject:

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

I think it is very odd that there are so many people that put their faith in god.
Why, they have been doing it for years and years, as far back as history goes.


I believe that the only thing for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
Well everyone is free to believe what they want.

More than 70% of American male babies, Muslims and Jews are strapped down and get their genitals mutilated without anesthetic in the name of god.
Why should wee trust in god if god can't hear wee screams? Circumcision is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION, it is sadistic sexual torture inflected on innocent children.
Well if you believe that, then don't have your kids circumsized. See how easy that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw&feature=related
You don't honestly think I am going to click on your link after that little rant

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

I think it is very odd that there are so many people that put their faith in god. I believe that the only thing for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
More than 70% of American male babies, Muslims and Jews are strapped down and get their genitals mutilated without anesthetic in the name of god.
Why should wee trust in god if god can't hear wee screams? Circumcision is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION, it is sadistic sexual torture inflected on innocent children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw&feature=related

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: belladevine

I think it is very odd that there are so many people that put their faith in god. I believe that the only thing for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
More than 70% of American male babies, Muslims and Jews are strapped down and get their genitals mutilated without anesthetic in the name of god.
Why should wee trust in god if god can't hear wee screams? Circumcision is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION, it is sadistic sexual torture inflected on innocent children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw&feature=related

Not all people who believe in god circumcise their children...

And some people who are not religious do...

So I do not know what this post has to do with the topic of the thread.

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stupid enough to feed their childs dick to a blood thirsty system

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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stupid enough to feed their childs dick to a blood thirsty system

Ok, I get it. You are trying to be funny. Either that or someone has been fucking with your head and filling it will all kinds of weird shit.


Ok, just perved your profile. When are you taking this act on the road and have you met domiguy yet?

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The point is .... if parents are uneducated and stupid enough to feed their childs dick to a blood thirsty system then who
is going to protect the children? GOD? HAHAHA He doesn't care who believes, just stop torturing the chhildren!

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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The point is .... if parents are uneducated and stupid enough to feed their childs dick to a blood thirsty system then who
is going to protect the children? GOD? HAHAHA He doesn't care who believes, just stop torturing the chhildren!

No, that was not your point originally...

This thread isn't about circumcision. Perhaps you should start a thread about that.

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The thread is about we the people, decisoins (choices) and the role of God in the decision making process.

I have decided that ewe should get out of the pew to school and learn to read. Ewe don't think, ewe sit in the pew
and stink to high heaven.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Taking away all the hysterical comments about religion I think you will find in America anyway circumcision is now more of a tradition than a religious choice. I’ll bet you would be hard pressed to find people that did it strictly for religious reasons.

And with a little research you would find there are health advantages for those circumcised.

And another side note it was the Egyptians that started circumcisions not Christians or Jews…at least from what I found on the web anyway. You did state God so I assume you were referring to a single God religion.

Butch