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housesub4you -> Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 4:05:42 AM)

Well, it seems the Texas board of education knows what is best for the children of this country.  Since they are the largest purchaser of school text books, most publishers only print what Texas wants in them and sells them to the rest of the country.

Seems like religion has way to much power in Texas, even the power to change one of the reason this country was founded.

"The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”


To avoid exposing students to “transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,” the Board struck the curriculum’s reference to “sex and gender as social constructs.”

The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum, “replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin.”

The Board struck the word “democratic” from the description of the U.S. government, instead terming it a “constitutional republic.”


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-cuts-thomas-jefferson-out-of-its-textbooks/





Level -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 4:26:38 AM)

Pure fucking idiocy.

A hopeful thought, from the NY Times:


quote:

The board, whose members are elected, has influence beyond Texas because the state is one of the largest buyers of textbooks. In the digital age, however, that influence has diminished as technological advances have made it possible for publishers to tailor books to individual states.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

It's one thing to promote some balance in the textbooks, but promoting Calvin over Jefferson? Teaching kids about Phyllis Schlafy??




MstrPBK -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 4:30:15 AM)

Aren't these kids going to be surprised someday when they realize that Thomas Jefferson was the third President of the United States and also signed the US Constitution ...

Maybe it is time to protest the TX Board of Education for destroying Education reality. I think that the TX Board of Education has become UnAmerican.

MstrPBK
St. Paul MN USA




slvemike4u -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 5:15:52 AM)

Perhaps we should be encouraging all of that silly secession talk coming out of the lone star state.




jlf1961 -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 5:15:52 AM)

Conservative Republicans have achieved the impossible, they have rewritten history.

Sorry to say but it seems like a growing trend.




truckinslave -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:11:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well, it seems the Texas board of education knows what is best for the children of this country.  Since they are the largest purchaser of school text books, most publishers only print what Texas wants in them and sells them to the rest of the country.

Seems like religion has way to much power in Texas, even the power to change one of the reason this country was founded.

"The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”


To avoid exposing students to “transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,” the Board struck the curriculum’s reference to “sex and gender as social constructs.”

The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum, “replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin.”

The Board struck the word “democratic” from the description of the U.S. government, instead terming it a “constitutional republic.”


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-cuts-thomas-jefferson-out-of-its-textbooks/




I have been greatly encouraged by developments in Texas.

To deal with your highly disengenuous points, and by extension the miss-the-point comments previously made:

1. I missed, in skimming your link, anything that could be construed as dropping a requirement to teach the disesatblishment clause.
2.Sex and gender clearly are not "social constructs"
3.The board removed Jefferson only in the construct of requiring textbooks discuss him as impactful on "political revolutions from 1750 to the present". It's clear to me that the libs just don't want John Calvin or other religious figures discussed at all. From your link:

" Here’s the amendment Dunbar changed: “explain the impact of Enlightenment ideas from John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, and Thomas Jefferson on political revolutions from 1750 to the present.” Here’s Dunbar’s replacement standard, which passed: “explain the impact of the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone.”

4. Your most ludicrous self-inflicted phony outrage. We are in fact a constitutional republic. I am so over hearing us described as a democracy.


If you think this is bad, wait until November.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:21:18 AM)

quote:

If you think this is bad, wait until November.


Level and I are BOTH from and live in TX. I AM a Liberal. I vote. May the powers that be please keep Perry and any other Repubs out of Austin! Yeah, the state that can never seem to come anywhere NEAR NAAQS wanted to build 11 new coal fired power plants and Perry tried to rush it through. How much sense does that make? Not everyone in Texas is a fucking idiot. This used to be a Dem state til repubs gerrymandered us to hell and back. All behind closed doors, of course.

ETA: We've been going to hell in a handbasket ever since!




pahunkboy -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:21:28 AM)

I dont view it as a trainwreck.

I do think we should stick with 3 Rs.




pahunkboy -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:22:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

quote:

If you think this is bad, wait until November.


Level and I are BOTH from and live in TX. I AM a Liberal. I vote. May the powers that be please keep Perry and any other Repubs out of Austin! Yeah, the state that can never seem to come anywhere NEAR NAAQS wanted to build 11 new coal fired power plants and Perry tried to rush it through. How much sense does that make? Not everyone in Texas is a fucking idiot. This used to be a Dem state til repubs gerrymandered us to hell and back. All behind closed doors, of course.

ETA: We've been going to hell in a handbasket ever since!



Somehow I dont think voters are anywhere near relevant to the process.




Level -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:34:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
" Here’s the amendment Dunbar changed: “explain the impact of Enlightenment ideas from John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, and Thomas Jefferson on political revolutions from 1750 to the present.” Here’s Dunbar’s replacement standard, which passed: “explain the impact of the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone.”

If you think this is bad, wait until November.


What's going to happen in November? The passing of curriculum dealing with Adam and Eve?

And you may not find if bothersome that they deleted the impact Jefferson and the Enlightenment had, certainly in regard to the founding of this nation, and on society as a whole, but it boggles my mind.




DomKen -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:36:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave
1. I missed, in skimming your link, anything that could be construed as dropping a requirement to teach the disesatblishment clause.

quote:

12:28 – Board member Mavis Knight offers the following amendment: “examine the reasons the Founding Fathers protected religious freedom in America by barring government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion over all others.” Knight points out that students should understand that the Founders believed religious freedom was so important that they insisted on separation of church and state.

12:32 – Board member Cynthia Dunbar argues that the Founders didn’t intend for separation of church and state in America. And she’s off on a long lecture about why the Founders intended to promote religion. She calls this amendment “not historically accurate.”

12:35 – Knight’s amendment fails on a straight party-line vote, 5-10. Republicans vote no, Democrats vote yes

from http://tfninsider.org/2010/03/11/blogging-the-social-studies-debate-iv/

So yes the Texas BoE has refused to include to teach anything about the seperation of church and state.




Level -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:37:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

quote:

If you think this is bad, wait until November.


Level and I are BOTH from and live in TX. I AM a Liberal. I vote. May the powers that be please keep Perry and any other Repubs out of Austin! Yeah, the state that can never seem to come anywhere NEAR NAAQS wanted to build 11 new coal fired power plants and Perry tried to rush it through. How much sense does that make? Not everyone in Texas is a fucking idiot. This used to be a Dem state til repubs gerrymandered us to hell and back. All behind closed doors, of course.

ETA: We've been going to hell in a handbasket ever since!


Yep, we got the shaft, and not a jar of Vaseline in sight [>:] The fuckers actually split my county in half!

Now, though I'm a life-long registered Democrat, I do vote per issue, and not all my beliefs are on the left, and I don't even necessarily disagree with some of that these jackasses are proposing in the textbooks, but as I posted earlier, some of it boggles my mind.




cadenas -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:50:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave
quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well, it seems the Texas board of education knows what is best for the children of this country.  Since they are the largest purchaser of school text books, most publishers only print what Texas wants in them and sells them to the rest of the country.

Seems like religion has way to much power in Texas, even the power to change one of the reason this country was founded.

"The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”


To avoid exposing students to “transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,” the Board struck the curriculum’s reference to “sex and gender as social constructs.”

The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum, “replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin.”

The Board struck the word “democratic” from the description of the U.S. government, instead terming it a “constitutional republic.”


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-cuts-thomas-jefferson-out-of-its-textbooks/




I have been greatly encouraged by developments in Texas.

To deal with your highly disengenuous points, and by extension the miss-the-point comments previously made:

1. I missed, in skimming your link, anything that could be construed as dropping a requirement to teach the disesatblishment clause.
2.Sex and gender clearly are not "social constructs"
3.The board removed Jefferson only in the construct of requiring textbooks discuss him as impactful on "political revolutions from 1750 to the present". It's clear to me that the libs just don't want John Calvin or other religious figures discussed at all. From your link:

" Here’s the amendment Dunbar changed: “explain the impact of Enlightenment ideas from John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, and Thomas Jefferson on political revolutions from 1750 to the present.” Here’s Dunbar’s replacement standard, which passed: “explain the impact of the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone.”

4. Your most ludicrous self-inflicted phony outrage. We are in fact a constitutional republic. I am so over hearing us described as a democracy.


If you think this is bad, wait until November.


1. The link provided actually does show that the board did not want to teach the disenfranchisement clause. Look at time stamps 11:33 (where the board talked about possibly taking out the whole First Amendment, and covering the Second Amendment instead), 12:28 (they discussed teaching religious freedom), 12:32 (when Cynthia Dunbar argued that the Founding Fathers didn't intend for separation of church and state and called teaching religious freedoms not "historically accurate"), and 12:35 when teaching religious votes failed on a straight party line vote.

2. Sex and gender aren't social constructs? Then What are they, and why do we have two different terms? The link actually talks about teaching the DIFFERENCE between sex and gender.

3. It wasn't just a minor change, but rather the impact of Enlightenment on a whole era. Along with Jefferson, they removed the whole concept of enlightenment! The new version just talks about "the writings of" as if this was an English class rather than history. And of course John Calvin is the antithesis of Enlightenment.

4. Of course the USA is a democracy, although some ideologues want to make it appear otherwise (I'm not even quite sure why - maybe it's because of the names of the parties?)





domiguy -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:58:25 AM)

Level, is it okay to flush your state now?




Level -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 6:59:56 AM)

Domi, this does make it tempting [:)]




LadyEllen -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 7:01:21 AM)

I guess all those young Texan guys who helped defeat that other great historical revisionist for political reasons (Adolf Hitler) were traitors to Texas.

E




pahunkboy -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 7:08:13 AM)

Obama was born in Texas.   He is Bushes cousin.




mnottertail -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 7:11:53 AM)

well that explains everything then doesnt it? except that Obama was born in hawaii and those two fellas are about as close a cousin as you and mistral's daughter.

other than that, you didnt get anything right.




domiguy -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 7:17:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well that explains everything then doesnt it? except that Obama was born in hawaii and those two fellas are about as close a cousin as you and mistral's daughter.

other than that, you didnt get anything right.


That's rich. lol.

Don't you love this place.




rulemylife -> RE: Texas Board of ED bans Thomas Jefferson from text books (3/13/2010 7:18:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Conservative Republicans have achieved the impossible, they have rewritten history.

Sorry to say but it seems like a growing trend.


What else is new?

They've been propagating the myth that Reagan single-handedly won the Cold War for years.




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