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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 9:55:03 PM   
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I think the subject of Sadism (true) and masochism (true) had been done to death as a subject line., especially when others choose to put themselves in categories (or not) or the sensual sadist, the pain slut/masochist etc. There is never any definate answer or true concept.

It might seem to me (from responses) that most are 'sensual sadists' aka, 'I love you, but I hurt you' type. Well ooook. Fine n dandy but, on that thread I discussed how that was not the appropriate Master/sadist/dominant for me (which seemed like a crime, at the time). So MY opinion of Sadism (by definition) is not the same as another, ..just as YOUR opinion of masochism isn't the same (some chicks think spanking is sadism, some chicks think it is boring n ho-hum).

There is never going to be an answer to sadism (in true form) unless it is USED as true dictionary form., a 'term that most over-use as their kink. A sadist is a true SOB, dink, asshole, mother-fucker, hurter (without consequence), and I'd really hope people stop over using it as such as a kink-fun term as 'I am a sadist/would enjoy a sadist', yet what they really mean is 'I want to be a sadist/enjoy a sadist (within reason/able forces agreed upon). If it were any other term, others would confuse another with judgement of 'watch out, you will be severely injured' as a bandaid, instead of a cure. It seems more give advice to those who are upon a new adventure of 'anal' than seeking a sadist. Someday, that person who thought anal might be fun, just might be a genuine (not-for-fun) sadist.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:10:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think there is anything wrong with being a service top. "Sensual sadist" is rather a pc term for it.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:14:22 PM   
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I don't think there is anything wrong with being a service top. "Sensual sadist" is rather a pc term for it.


I don't know the categories of what people put themselves into. Service Top/Sensual sadist implies some kind of, "I will hurt you, to make you feel good' kinda guy? right? Or Sensual Sadist is ...one who does it, but with care?? The whole idea of either is kinda, oxymoronic and hypocritical lol. Labels uhhhg.

and if you think about it...it is like someone saying 'I am a masochist'

BUTTTTT, wait, I don't want this/that/the other, and yet I am NOT as masochist if it is 4pm because this/that. What are the offical label(s) list for all of that? Anyone have one? Because too many toss around the terms, but it is not only dangerous, it is falsifying of an ideal to another.



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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:21:49 PM   
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I don't think there is anything wrong with being a service top. "Sensual sadist" is rather a pc term for it.


I don't know the categories of what people put themselves into. Service Top/Sensual sadist implies some kind of, "I will hurt you, to make you feel good' kinda guy? right? Or Sensual Sadist is ...one who does it, but with care?? The whole idea of either is kinda, oxymoronic and hypocritical lol. Labels uhhhg.

and if you think about it...it is like someone saying 'I am a masochist'

BUTTTTT, wait, I don't want this/that/the other, and yet I am NOT as masochist if it is 4pm because this/that. What are the offical label(s) list for all of that? Anyone have one? Because too many toss around the terms, but it is not only dangerous, it is falsifying of an ideal to another.




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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:24:15 PM   
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People are worried about appearances and validation. So they try to put on a "good guy badge" and flash it around. The ones who use the "bad guy badge" for attention are just as silly.


I see that, and I raise you a submissive who claims to enjoy pain -on her terms. What is the difference really? lol

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:26:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The difference is in a form of blanket consent. The sadist has no need to worry about being outed or charged-he knows reasonable limits.

And she comes back for more. I've known and played with women like this-they were sick sick puppies-just like me.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:28:18 PM   
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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:32:23 PM   
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The difference is in a form of blanket consent. The sadist has no need to worry about being outed or charged-he knows reasonable limits.

And she comes back for more. I've known and played with women like this-they were sick sick puppies-just like me.


Ya know what is kinda sick about that? In my days of 'want hell to pay' that is kinda a hot compliment (to me). NOT ADVOCATING SERIAL KILLERS OR KIDNAPPERS IN ANY WAY...

but, I had in my pea brain that 'WOW, if some guy, this day and age, took the chance of kidnapping me, keeping me for his own, no consent, just pure ..sick lust, I would be / feel sooo darn special'. but, in the end, yanno, we learn that that type gets bored quickly etc = death. Even if a Stockholm Syndrome thang should arise within me, it still turns a gal into a masochist (in some form).

In the end, there is no such thing as true sadism (prison), no true masochism, until it comes to the point of death or giving life (existence) up.

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In the end, there is no such thing as true sadism (prison), no true masochism, until it comes to the point of death or giving life (existence) up.


Yes, so (if I had no other responsibilities/people that counted on me) death would prove as my ultimate goal to a sadist. Does that mean that I would now? NO.

Is that masochistic? hmmm yes, possibly, that would depend on if it were a painful death right? (id-yes , the id-not) IF lol, it were , then one would enjoy the pain of death. if not, no. If I am not big into pain, because dammit, pain just plain hurts. lol

Is it altruistic? NO, because it gave no benefit for another or a species. Would it be to prove my love for the true sadist? yes. I guess that makes me a coward, not a masochist lol.

*and don't go on about me being mentally ill. Writers since time began have been writing about what one love would do for another...to prove love, to disprove love or because they have lost love.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:33:47 PM   
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The difference is in a form of blanket consent. The sadist has no need to worry about being outed or charged-he knows reasonable limits.

And she comes back for more. I've known and played with women like this-they were sick sick puppies-just like me.


My type o'gal as well.
Sick sick, so beautifully wonderfully bent


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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:36:47 PM   
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And she comes back for more. I've known and played with women like this-they were sick sick puppies-just like me.


only problem is....

they aren't with ya now, are they? lol

always a reason for that huh? they moved, had to leave, died (natural causes) or other. point is, they aren't there, with YOU, now.



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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 10:38:07 PM   
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And she comes back for more. I've known and played with women like this-they were sick sick puppies-just like me.


only problem is....

they aren't with ya now, are they? lol

always a reason for that huh? they moved, had to leave, died (natural causes) or other. point is, they aren't there, with YOU, now.




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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 11:03:26 PM   
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I'm not terribly worried about it. What happens will happen. It's not like I have nothing else to do.



That kinda proves my point about sadists, they just keep on movin' on. LOL No big deal.

A sensual sadist might jerk off every once in a while in rememberance at least. A big hard salute?

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 11:06:25 PM   
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I'm not terribly worried about it. What happens will happen. It's not like I have nothing else to do.



That kinda proves my point about sadists, they just keep on movin' on. LOL No big deal.

A sensual sadist might jerk off every once in a while in rememberance at least. A big hard salute?


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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/16/2010 11:18:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		But yanno-the ultimate sadism to some people out there is in refusing to pick up "wounded birds"

They usually turn out to be vampire bats.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/17/2010 12:19:18 AM   
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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/17/2010 12:22:56 AM   
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I have more of a 'you break it, you buy it' philosophy LOL

Why would he? A "true SOB, dink, asshole, mother-fucker, hurter (without consequence)" isn't going to bother. He's gonna break it, then move on without a backward look.


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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/17/2010 12:38:02 AM   
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Why would he? A "true SOB, dink, asshole, mother-fucker, hurter (without consequence)" isn't going to bother. He's gonna break it, then move on without a backward look.


I already said that posts ago...

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if some guy, this day and age, took the chance of kidnapping me, keeping me for his own, no consent, just pure ..sick lust, I would be / feel sooo darn special'. but, in the end, yanno, we learn that that type gets bored quickly etc = death.


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I have more of a 'you break it, you buy it' philosophy LOL
were merely a joke, to his comment thus the LOL.

If you are going to hang off of every comment as negative and seek just that, you will find it, but at least get it right.

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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/17/2010 1:11:26 AM   
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I have more of a 'you break it, you buy it' philosophy LOL
were merely a joke, to his comment thus the LOL.

Yes, I saw the LOL. My deepest apologies for using your joke post to make a point.
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If you are going to hang off of every comment as negative and seek just that, you will find it, but at least get it right.

Hang off of every comment? That's amusing, considering that I've made one post (now two) in this entire thread.


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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/17/2010 8:50:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2
there are quite a few of us around actually - i know it blew my brains out too - i even started a thread on this very topic a while back, just to get my head around it-

in the end, the general concensus was that on some level or another i achieved a catharsis.  maybe the same for you too.


Thanks for posting to this lally! You're right, it does surprise me! I'm contemplating the catharsis idea.

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the 'trouble' with us is that to some degree or another we need to be with a sadist or at least someone who enjoys enflicting pain and watching us struggle with it otherwise theres no point.  why go through something hellish for youre M when it leaves them cold or vaguely squicked out -


This definately resonated with me! I have no interest  in beng with someone who "does it for me". Or is interested in "what I want" or "think I can take." I'm not even sure what "I can take" means. Take while still enjoying? Take without passing out? I take whatever he gives, whatever he feels like giving, for however long he feels like it. Am I a sobbing, screaming mess? Yes, but that's what he enjoys.

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even for someone like me there is 'good' pain (i can handle it) and bad pain (i really really really really cant handle it beyond a certain point) - if youre with a sadist that 'certain point' is where theyre heading and that got too much of a mindfuck eventually.


Agreed again! There is good pain... there are times when I absolutely love his cane, but lol, I think that's just luck. Meaning he isn't doing that particular thing because I like it, he's doing it because that's what he feel like doing.  I just happen to enjoy that sensation. It's usually fairly short lived though because as you said, he's heading to that certain point, and that isn't it.

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i realised a while back that i dont need to be with an all out sadist, but i do need to be with someone who enjoys inflicting enough pain on certain parts of my body (that i can handle) for me to reach that struggle thing and even go beyond that struggle thing.

I'm really glad you wrote this because it made me ponder... what if I was with someone that their point happened to be that same point that I actually find enjoyable, or maybe difficult, but not agonizing. If the point he wanted to get to happened to coincide with the point I enjoy, or a little beyond, would that work for me? I know my Owner sometimes does that. We never have nilla sex, there is always some kinda hurting me involved. Sometimes it isn't nearly as bad as others and I am quite fulfilled, but I think the key for me is knowing that... I got off easy. I think I need to be with someone that takes me all the way out there, despite hating it. I don't know... it's just what I need and crave and love and hate. Even if I don't get subspace, or warm and fuzzies about how much I like pain. It's like I said before, fear when it starts, desperation for it to end, looking forward to it beginning again! There is something about being stripped down to nothing but a sobbing desperate mess that works for me... and feeds his sadisticness. He revels in my not enjoying it and taking me there anyways. I revel in him not giving a shit

Thanks again lally, good food for thought!
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RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! - 3/19/2010 3:04:54 PM   
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but, I had in my pea brain that 'WOW, if some guy, this day and age, took the chance of kidnapping me, keeping me for his own, no consent, just pure ..sick lust, I would be / feel sooo darn special'.

lets just slip out of fantasy for five secs here - how special would it be if some quasimodo lookalike kidnapped you, had every STD under the sky and stank to high heaven.  not so much maybe.
 
we all can fantsise about some hunk lusting after our ass and keeping us for them and them alone.  but reality isnt always so pretty.
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In the end, there is no such thing as true sadism (prison), no true masochism, until it comes to the point of death or giving life (existence) up.

what rubbish.  i had to go to the end of this thread to look to see if anyone else had made a comment on this, presumably they decided it was too stupid a comment to even attempt a response to.  but i cant let this facile nonsense go by.
 
ill even go this far and suggest that when you have experienced pure sadism and submitted to it you will realise how facile this comment of youres is. death and prison as the ultimate Holy Grail of sadism and massochism - if that is youre fantasy then you keep it.  in the meantime the rest of us will continue to glean more from life than proving ourselves as worthy meat to a psychopath.
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Is it altruistic? NO, because it gave no benefit for another or a species. Would it be to prove my love for the true sadist? yes. I guess that makes me a coward, not a masochist lol.

youre love for the true sadist.  so this true sadistic hunk from 'hunk magazine' who will gaze into youre limped eyes with his burning male presence and snuff you out like the fragile little candle flame that you are - and as you gasp youre last in his big strong hands you can whisper to the world, i died for my love of the true sadist - oh good fucking lord! - itll be quasimodo with halitosis in some grotty basement flat, youll be dirty and sweaty and desparate to live. 

*and don't go on about me being mentally ill. Writers since time began have been writing about what one love would do for another...to prove love, to disprove love or because they have lost love.

romeo and juliet, cleopatra and julius,  edward and mrs.simpson - sacrifices made for love not some half baked fantasy 


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