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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 3:56:55 PM   
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Oh bullshit Boi,society has many methods of protecting itself from this "kid" the last of which should be the old just "put him down" method you seem to favor.


If the likelihood is determined by skilled professionals that he's a) psychotic and b) a continuous threat to those around him, why on Earth should we have to spend tax payer monies on keeping him comfortable for the rest of his life?


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 3:57:07 PM   
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The fact that he is going to get a trial of his peers?
Or the fact that it sounds like he is guilty?

and what about him not living next door to me is a problem if he is guilty?

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 3:57:48 PM   
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Well, as long as we're keeping it all civil like. This is the second time you've posted something retarded m'dear. You jumped to a conclusion that I was saying video games caused him to do it, when I made no such link. What I am saying is that such games encourage a view that guns are toys, ergo the second paragraph.

And BJ, do you really think it inexplicable that he might hide the gun and try to escape, hoping thereby no doubt to evade liability? Every single kid I ever knew does this when they do something that they know theyll get into trouble for. It does not indicate psychopathology, rather it indicates normal childish behaviour.

E


You are so right! These thing indicate that the kid knew he had done something wrong.



No, this indicates that the kid knew that something had happened for which he would get into serious trouble.

E

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:01:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you guys reading other articles or something because in the articles of the OP, that article gave no information on the actual facts of the case, so i am curious where you guys are coming up with all the ideas being thrown around about this kid.

I would like to read where this information is as i couldn't decipher anything of fact in the article the OP offered. at least not anything that could be used in a court of law before a jury, but i didn't read all the responses so please let me know.

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:01:56 PM   
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No, this indicates that the kid knew that something had happened for which he would get into serious trouble.

E


When kids get scared because they did something that they don't know is right or wrong they call an adult. It's what the little girl did when she found the woman's body. They may hide things but they get an adult.

This boy showed no desire or recognition of need to get an adult. He knew he did something wrong and he tried to hide it by hiding the firearm and pretending nothing had happened.


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:01:57 PM   
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Oh bullshit Boi,society has many methods of protecting itself from this "kid" the last of which should be the old just "put him down" method you seem to favor.


If the likelihood is determined by skilled professionals that he's a) psychotic and b) a continuous threat to those around him, why on Earth should we have to spend tax payer monies on keeping him comfortable for the rest of his life?

Oh hell boi we can keep going around the mulberry bush if you like....what if those self same skilled professionals determine his "psychosis" is do to mental defect...do we still a) put him down as one would a rabid dog(I do think that was the picture you were drawing)...or b) treat the psychosis and ensure that he can never again harm another...to the best of our (societies) ability.
Careful with your answer Boi.....your liberal credentials are on the line.Keep going in this direction and you will be receiving fan mail from cucky!

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:05:19 PM   
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What current circumstances?

The fact that he is going to get a trial of his peers?
Or the fact that it sounds like he is guilty?

and what about him not living next door to me is a problem if he is guilty?
Are you being daft on purpose...the question was quite clear...in light of these events how likely do you think it might be that you will wind up with this particular child living next door to you?
I don't think I can be clearer.....let me help you out.....it looks safe for you and yours for the foreseeable future.

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:07:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The presumption of innocence still applys to either "adult court" or juvenile justice. Due process will determine if the 12 year old was charged correctly, and then will determine if there is a guilt on his part beyond a reasonable doubt.....just like everyone else in grown up court.

Then IF the evidence shows that he pulled the trigger,  "criminal intent" will be determined as opposed to "normal childish behaviour" or any other mitigating factor that would diminish intent.  If evidence is sufficient to prove that element of the crime, then he will be found guilty as charged.

The real difference is in juvenile court, the worst he can get is "juvey life" which is until age 21, then he gets out with a clean record as though it never happened.... but in regular criminal "adult" court, he stays in prison for the rest of his life and never has a chance to pull a trigger again.



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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:08:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		No - my daft is never on purpose. Your question was obscure or at least badly written.

and happy I am that the kid won't be living next door to me.

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:09:31 PM   
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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:11:17 PM   
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The thing about these types of situations is that there's a high likelihood that, upon release, the boy will commit another crime of this magnitude or greater. Repeatedly throughout criminal history, especially in males, when they start this young, they don't stop.


It is still a 12 year old child. We cannot adjust our juvenile justice system because of one appalling case. There are too many kids that are not psychopaths that have been treated much too harshly by the justice system in recent years, and i fear that magnifying one weird case will further injustices on children that can be "fixed".

The fact of the matter is, he will get out again, so what are we going to do with him?


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:12:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I'm sorry I shot my step mom. I didnt mean to do it.

"I was getting ready for school and she was still in bed asleep and I wanted some breakfast so I thought I should wake her up. Then I saw my shotgun and I thought it would be funny to wake her up, you know, like I was the police arresting her for not making my breakfast, with it. I didnt know it was loaded. I didnt check it like dad told me. It went off as I was tapping her with it to wake her and it was awful.

"I was so scared. I knew I'd be in big trouble but I didnt know what to do. She looked like she was dead, she must have been. So I hid the gun and went to school and hoped I wouldnt get the blame. There's so much crime and murder on the TV news I thought maybe the police would think it was someone else."

Plausible enough story I'd say.

It doesnt alter the horrific situation - a woman and her unborn child are dead. The father's life is destroyed. The kid is going to gaol, for manslaughter (or whatever thats called over there), because (and this is the important bit) it is clear that there was no intent to kill.

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:14:01 PM   
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Yes, put him down. I have a real issue with psychopaths with the inclination to maim or kill beings allowed to live at all...much less on a government dime.

Just sayin...

boi


So then you find out after you kill this kid that there is another explanation for what happened besides what you heard in the media and what is presented in court... some mitigating thing, like the woman that was murdered molested the kid, or even had sex with him and got pregnant by him (I am going way out there to make a point)... well it would be too damn late, the kid would be dead... are you sure you want a child's blood on your hands? Are you that certain about this world?

The older I get, the less certain I am, especially when it comes to stuff that can't be undone... just sayin


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:14:16 PM   
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Oh hell boi we can keep going around the mulberry bush if you like....what if those self same skilled professionals determine his "psychosis" is do to mental defect...do we still a) put him down as one would a rabid dog(I do think that was the picture you were drawing)...or b) treat the psychosis and ensure that he can never again harm another...to the best of our (societies) ability.
Careful with your answer Boi.....your liberal credentials are on the line.Keep going in this direction and you will be receiving fan mail from cucky!


Actually, I don't claim to be liberal. I just don't often find conservatives I agree with. (Cucky can suck Cuban cock for all I care...he'd like it and it would shut him up).

If these issues are caused by a physical developmental issue then there's a VERY limited chance that the issue can be corrected. Then it's dependent on if takes the meds or follows his course of treatment without deviation.

If they're psychologically based, he's a time bomb waiting to happen. All it takes is one little trigger and someone else is dead.

There's WAY too much room for fuck up here for me to feel ok with this kind of kid walking the streets. And if he's not gonna do anything but be a tax payer suck on top of being a danger to society, then there's a very clear answer to this problem. It's cold and it's got nothing to do with humanity because, clearly, this boy has none.

boi


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:15:55 PM   
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The woman was shot in the head, almost execution style. The boy then went straight to school without a second thought. This shows intent and the pathology of a psychopath. This is one of those poorly developed puppies I'd take out back and put down if it were my choice because he's already been sentenced to a rabid life inside of his own and presents a clear and present danger to those around him.


Thank God you don't sit on a bench anywhere wearing a robe. Or maybe too bad you weren't sitting in place of Judge Ito.




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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:16:50 PM   
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No - my daft is never on purpose. Your question was obscure or at least badly written.

and happy I am that the kid won't be living next door to me.
[/quoteOkay I will grant you that point.....shit, given my writing history it is entirely possible it was "badly written"
(I'm just being nice.....what I write is crystal clear!)

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:17:21 PM   
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When kids get scared because they did something that they don't know is right or wrong they call an adult.


Are you so sure about that?

When my uncle shot my aunt he saved her life... he had no memory of that. He completely blacked out. He could have ran away, or he could have acted like nothing had happened... he could have went to school and acted like nothing was wrong... but he wouldn't have remembered one way or another


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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:17:35 PM   
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No - my daft is never on purpose. Your question was obscure or at least badly written.

and happy I am that the kid won't be living next door to me.
Okay I will grant you that point.....shit, given my writing history it is entirely possible it was "badly written"
(I'm just being nice.....what I write is crystal clear!)


Just like your use of the quote function. 

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:22:52 PM   
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Oh hell boi we can keep going around the mulberry bush if you like....what if those self same skilled professionals determine his "psychosis" is do to mental defect...do we still a) put him down as one would a rabid dog(I do think that was the picture you were drawing)...or b) treat the psychosis and ensure that he can never again harm another...to the best of our (societies) ability.
Careful with your answer Boi.....your liberal credentials are on the line.Keep going in this direction and you will be receiving fan mail from cucky!


Actually, I don't claim to be liberal. I just don't often find conservatives I agree with. (Cucky can suck Cuban cock for all I care...he'd like it and it would shut him up).

If these issues are caused by a physical developmental issue then there's a VERY limited chance that the issue can be corrected. Then it's dependent on if takes the meds or follows his course of treatment without deviation.

If they're psychologically based, he's a time bomb waiting to happen. All it takes is one little trigger and someone else is dead.

There's WAY too much room for fuck up here for me to feel ok with this kind of kid walking the streets. And if he's not gonna do anything but be a tax payer suck on top of being a danger to society, then there's a very clear answer to this problem. It's cold and it's got nothing to do with humanity because, clearly, this boy has none.

boi

Damm right it has nothing to do with humanity....you know boi I suggest you work a little harder on playing nice with the conservatives....given these ideas on juvenile justice it would seem you have far more in common with them than you might have thought.....of course the whole lifestyle thing might have to be rethought...but what can you do?
Might not be too late to suck up to cucky...just forward all of these oh so evolved ideas you have floating around in your head...and who knows maybe cucky isn't kneeling in front of that Cuban alone.
Stranger things have happened.

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RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting fath... - 3/15/2010 4:24:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		boijen, what sources are you reading from to make such a distinction about this kid? Please cite your sources because i think you are projecting or at least trying to be some go getter amatuer psychologist. You know you sound almost the same way many people use to speak about gays and lesbians.

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If they're psychologically based, he's a time bomb waiting to happen. All it takes is one little trigger .....

There's WAY too much room for fuck up here for me to feel ok with this kind of kid walking the streets. And if he's ... being a danger to society, then there's a very clear answer to this problem.


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