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RE: Food for Thought - Moving Towards A Resource-Based ... - 3/23/2010 6:22:38 AM   
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Strawberries. I can walk down to the corner store, throw down $4.00 - less than half an hour's wages - and buy a box of strawberries.

In the middle of winter.

Not even the Sun King, Louis the XIV of France, could command his subjects to bring him fresh strawberries out of season.


Technology, not for profit, but for the benefit of humanity and a sustainable planet is the answer.

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RE: Food for Thought - Moving Towards A Resource-Based ... - 3/23/2010 8:08:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

Strawberries. I can walk down to the corner store, throw down $4.00 - less than half an hour's wages - and buy a box of strawberries.

In the middle of winter.

Not even the Sun King, Louis the XIV of France, could command his subjects to bring him fresh strawberries out of season.


Well yes and no.  Strawberries are a winter crop in California and have been available right across the street from Disneyland for Eight dollars a flat that is 14 pints, since just after christmas.

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RE: Food for Thought - Moving Towards A Resource-Based ... - 3/25/2010 4:23:36 PM   
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I watched the video a couple of times and I’m still not sure I understand all of it as it was intended.

There are parts that appear accurate to me.

Working toward continuous improvement in the areas of efficiency, minimized waste, product quality, full utilization of assets, and elimination of ‘bottle necking’ are all good business sense.

Also, a group is only as strong as its weakest member. Therefore, we could only benefit as a whole from enabling every member to be as educated, healthy, and stress less as possible.

The fact that capitalism pushes us in the opposite direction of these things shouldn’t be a red flag; it should be a flare up people’s asses.
The ability to travel; further my education; work on projects, that for now, I not only lack skill but, also, adequate time; and spending more time with my kids, family and friends, are all prospects I found appealing.

However, there were a few things I wasn’t so comfy with.

The whole idea behind ‘humanity’ is for all of mankind to become incorporated as a whole, while recognizing the individual. The claim that there is no such thing as ‘human nature’ would seem to reinforce the idea. It is still hard for me to picture how individualism would be maintained in such environments. I don’t think it is impossible to achieve, as long as it is not overlooked as an important factor.

Something else that bothered me; the video says that there would be no government, but according to the explanation, it would seem more accurate to say that computers would become government. To me, it sounds like ‘taking the human out of humanity’. On the other hand, I’ve come to the conclusion that ‘good people’ don’t really need government, but that they only require ‘good counsel’. My concern in this area is twofold; first, how likely is it that people would become reliant on computers to make decisions for them; second, where do those whose purpose it is to be ‘good counsel’ fit in?

All in all, I think the presentation offered a good basis to work from, toward what our future might look like, with lots of interesting possibilities to consider.

Unfortunately, humanity seems very sick to me, and probably not willing, or able to measurably improve itself, without some profound influence. However, I suspect if it were to happen, it would have to start with how we perceive ourselves, and each other.

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RE: Food for Thought - Moving Towards A Resource-Based ... - 3/25/2010 8:49:43 PM   
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I watched the video a couple of times and I’m still not sure I understand all of it as it was intended.

There are parts that appear accurate to me.

Working toward continuous improvement in the areas of efficiency, minimized waste, product quality, full utilization of assets, and elimination of ‘bottle necking’ are all good business sense.

Also, a group is only as strong as its weakest member. Therefore, we could only benefit as a whole from enabling every member to be as educated, healthy, and stress less as possible.

The fact that capitalism pushes us in the opposite direction of these things shouldn’t be a red flag; it should be a flare up people’s asses.
The ability to travel; further my education; work on projects, that for now, I not only lack skill but, also, adequate time; and spending more time with my kids, family and friends, are all prospects I found appealing.


That you watched the video twice, speaks volumes... :-)

Indeed, capitalism is leading us in the wrong direction.

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However, there were a few things I wasn’t so comfy with.

The whole idea behind ‘humanity’ is for all of mankind to become incorporated as a whole, while recognizing the individual. The claim that there is no such thing as ‘human nature’ would seem to reinforce the idea. It is still hard for me to picture how individualism would be maintained in such environments. I don’t think it is impossible to achieve, as long as it is not overlooked as an important factor.


In my opinion, individualism will flourish beyond current imagination, when we have more time to pursue such endeavors. The bulk of our time and energy today is consumed trying to exist comfortably within the existing system, which moves most of us away from imagination... not towards it.

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Something else that bothered me; the video says that there would be no government, but according to the explanation, it would seem more accurate to say that computers would become government. To me, it sounds like ‘taking the human out of humanity’. On the other hand, I’ve come to the conclusion that ‘good people’ don’t really need government, but that they only require ‘good counsel’. My concern in this area is twofold; first, how likely is it that people would become reliant on computers to make decisions for them; second, where do those whose purpose it is to be ‘good counsel’ fit in?


What would people have more reason to trust?

a) Computers programmed for the logical scientific method.
b) Politicians as we know them.

All in all, I think the presentation offered a good basis to work from, toward what our future might look like, with lots of interesting possibilities to consider.

quote:

Unfortunately, humanity seems very sick to me, and probably not willing, or able to measurably improve itself, without some profound influence. However, I suspect if it were to happen, it would have to start with how we perceive ourselves, and each other.


Any movement to real change starts with truly understanding ourselves and our environment. The closer we are to understanding, the closer we are to having meaningful dialog with others.

Thanks for being a part of the process… :-)


< Message edited by subfever -- 3/25/2010 8:51:17 PM >

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RE: Food for Thought - Moving Towards A Resource-Based ... - 3/25/2010 10:32:36 PM   
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Also, a group is only as strong as its weakest member. Therefore, we could only benefit as a whole from enabling every member to be as educated, healthy, and stress less as possible.


Actually, this part isn't entirely true in all cases - synergistic and emergent effects can make a group much stronger than even the aggregate strength if all its members were at peak.

But, again, that's hard to achieve in capitalism, because it requires explicit force-multiplication effects that don't occur in pure competition.

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