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Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 12:34:50 PM   
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Personally, I'm still doubtful this bill will pass.

But if it does, some of you have dire predictions about what will happen. So assume it does pass.

Whenever I see conditions changing, I of course change direction. No point continuing to do what doesn't work. No point in complaining either; I switch to what will work so that I can rest reasonably assured my interests are covered and relatively secure.

So with these terrible changes you see---what are you going to do differently, specifically, to readjust your approaches to protect your interests and security? For example, are you retraining to get out of the health care industry? Saving thousands annually to create your own health "insurance"? Investing in hard assets in preparation for a fallen economy? Creating new businesses likely to hold up well even in tough times? And not just short term (cost cutting)--what about the long haul?

Talk is one thing. What are you doing about these changes?





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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 12:39:51 PM   
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Eventually I'll be forced to cut out health insurance for my employees, pay the fine and send them off to the government program. I'll pay them the difference between what health care would cost me and the fine, so Obama has forced a portion of their income to be taxed. (So much for no taxes on the middle class). I will pursue tax shelters far more vigorously than I have, and probably stay neutral or reduce my taxes. When I am able to I will move to a no income tax state.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 1:14:50 PM   
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Thanks. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm asking.

Other folks? What will your approaches be?

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 1:41:00 PM   
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Most do not own businesses. They will just "bite the bullet" and pay higher premiums. Health insurance providers will be the ultimate winners and they will redesign the system under the new rules as it suits  them the best. How much low income people actually will benefit needs to be seen.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 1:48:04 PM   
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OK, maybe I am missing something but....don't your employers offer health insurance packages? or am I ahead in the game here??

In Canada, it is MANDITORY that you accept either the company's (at a discount) recommended insuarance corporation (they come in and do their lil talk/speel..with new employees) or you PROVE (by showing an insurance card--benefits) with another company.

I guess if you don't, you are canned...because you cannot BOTH have a decent job PLUS accept govt. subsidized health care.

Uhhg the whole situation (this bill) is confusing me soooo badly.

I hope to God they have it veryyy clear in writing so that this all goes as smoothly as possible. Sounds like a huge headache of them making shit up as they go along.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 1:50:24 PM   
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Many smaller employees do not offer health care - there is no requirement to do so, at least not in Virginia.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 1:59:42 PM   
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One prediction, plucked straight out of the headlines -

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Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M

Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company's health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.


In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan "because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees." Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it's particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.


The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."


Business executives have long complained that the options offered for covering 32 million uninsured Americans would result in higher insurance costs for those employers that already provide coverage. Opponents have stepped up their attacks in recent days as the House moves closer toward a vote on the Senate version of the health-care legislation.


A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed.


Full article at: http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/03/caterpillar-health-care-bill-would-cost-it-100m.html


My personal prediction? With the above article as evidence I am sure that if the current bill passes we should expect to see a lot more American companies go bankrupt, and a lot of jobs sent overseas.





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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:00:14 PM   
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There are commercials here (dunno about there) by insurance companies that offer rates for small businesses (even if there is only 1 employee).

I don't know much about the insurance game, but likely if this is the case then insurance companies will be all over this in creating new strategies (to make a buck). Its all a money grab, from every corner it seems.

uhhg Sanity, just saw that.
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The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.
lol you must have been typing the same time I clicked OK. k, looks like instead of creating an insurance CAP first, in this new plan, that there are going to be some cockroaches crawling out from behind their toilets.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:06:37 PM   
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I am a believer in prevention so I do what I need to in order to be as healthy as I can.  I exercise.  I eat real foods.  I cannot remember the last time I ate a fast-food hamburger.  I get blood work and screenings done annually.  I don't know what the new bill will do.  I only know that no matter what, wellness will always cost less than illness.

And as bad as this will probably sound.... if I found out I had some disease that was going to bankrupt me to treat...I wouldn't spend the money to do so.  If my insurance premiums are more than I can afford.  I won't have insurance.  What's the worst that could happen?

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:09:34 PM   
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And as bad as this will probably sound.... if I found out I had some disease that was going to bankrupt me to treat...I wouldn't spend the money to do so. If my insurance premiums are more than I can afford. I won't have insurance. What's the worst that could happen?


that is sad as hell.

If here and even if you had the most fatal of cancers, the treatments would be covered...even if you were homeless.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:23:17 PM   
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  • Curtailing any plans for new hires and/or any growth which would make any company I own exceed the 50 employee threshold; hoping to get the one that does below that number prior to this program being implemented.

  • Doing a bit of math; calculating once my currently contracted health care provider lets me know the cost for the new "government required benefits" program will cost, then determining whether the $2000 - $3000 fine per employee is less expensive than the health coverage cost which I current cover 100%.

  • Announced to department managers that I will not be replacing any employees who quit or are terminated.

  • Need to find another Doctor for my parents since the one they currently use, earned through 30 years employment with GM and the School system; announced to us last visit that he and 4 other doctor members of his practice plan on retiring in lieu of having their compensation set by the government, and payments delayed further than they currently are for their Medicare clients.

  • Purchased stock in health insurance companies, drug companies, and health care providers; especially the 'emergency treatment' centers which, based upon the results in MA, will see a boom in business when people have access to 'free' medical services.

  • On a purchase plan with my local broker to purchase 1 ounce of gold per pay period. Although that's not new. (I've been doing that since November 2008.)

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:24:49 PM   
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Yeah, I know that sounded bad but if a cancer is fatal then it's gonna kill me regardless of what it costs to treat.  I really don't see the point.  Now, I would NOT advocate that for anyone but myself.  My family is doing great.  I owe no one.  I have done about everything on my 'bucket list'  I was just saying what I would do.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:27:06 PM   
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<married eyeswideopened in some phoney same-sex scam real fast if she become ill. and I would too!!

You AIN'T dyin' on my watch girl lol nooo way!! haha

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:31:30 PM   
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LOL.. that is so sweet.  But if you've ever read anything I've written about health care then you should know I am a believer that wellness cheap.  Illness is expensive so I have no worries that I'm gonna die any time soon.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:37:44 PM   
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Well that is good that you are healthy (knocks wood) lol. *puts her pretty prom dress back in the box

whew, that was CLOSE. I wouldn't know what to do with your 'parts' but the offer still here, God forbid ya ever need me I'm sooo there.




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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:53:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
. I will pursue tax shelters far more vigorously than I have, and probably stay neutral or reduce my taxes. When I am able to I will move to a no income tax state.



Oh the horror that you will have to talk with someone like me...


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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 2:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So with these terrible changes you see---what are you going to do differently, specifically, to readjust your approaches to protect your interests and security? For example, are you retraining to get out of the health care industry? Saving thousands annually to create your own health "insurance"? Investing in hard assets in preparation for a fallen economy? Creating new businesses likely to hold up well even in tough times? And not just short term (cost cutting)--what about the long haul?

Talk is one thing. What are you doing about these changes?


Yes, I'll take my skill set and sell/apply it in another industry.   I'm fortunate that my skills are transferable and needed elsewhere.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 3:00:57 PM   
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quote:

Oh the horror that you will have to talk with someone like me...


hehe seeee told ya....

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looks like instead of creating an insurance CAP first, in this new plan, that there are going to be some cockroaches crawling out from behind their toilets.


LOL jokin RO

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 3:39:00 PM   
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huh? Came4U, could you tell me where you're getting this?  I'm baffled.

In Canada, your health care is automatic.  (Only British Columbia requires a small premium, which is waived if you're low income.) The care covers all medically required treatment: you'll never see a bill.  Last year, I needed five hospital visits (alas), for a total of a month in the hospital. Cost: zero.

Prescriptions outside the hospital, and dental care are not covered (although low income folks get subsidies for meds).  This is where your employer comes in: NOT for medical care, but to pay the cost of prescriptions and dental care, in whole or in part.

That cost being a tiny fraction of what health insurance costs US employers, Canadian companies enjoy a considerable competitive advantage.

Could you explain what part is "mandatory", and why anyone would "get canned"?



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ORIGINAL: came4U

OK, maybe I am missing something but....don't your employers offer health insurance packages? or am I ahead in the game here??

In Canada, it is MANDITORY that you accept either the company's (at a discount) recommended insuarance corporation (they come in and do their lil talk/speel..with new employees) or you PROVE (by showing an insurance card--benefits) with another company.

I guess if you don't, you are canned...because you cannot BOTH have a decent job PLUS accept govt. subsidized health care.

Uhhg the whole situation (this bill) is confusing me soooo badly.

I hope to God they have it veryyy clear in writing so that this all goes as smoothly as possible. Sounds like a huge headache of them making shit up as they go along.

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RE: Life with a new health care bill - 3/19/2010 4:51:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

One prediction, plucked straight out of the headlines -
Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M


Anyone who thinks that Caterpillar isn't spewing propaganda for the sake of the right wing hasn't been paying attention.

Few companies have worked harder against health care reform, and fewer have been more closely tied to right-wing and corporate lobby groups. The company is one of the largest corporate contributors to the Republican party, but that's just the beginning.

Caterpillar was a leader in the fight against patients' rights legislation that would have created liability for HMOs that harm patients through negligence.

Ed Kaleta, who headed government affairs for Caterpillar Inc, is now the head Washington lobbyist for Humana, the fourth-largest for-profit private health insurer.

Donald V. Fites, a former CEO and chairman of Caterpillar, is a prominent member of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, a political committee devoted to increasing the number of Republicans in the Senate.

Some "prediction". If only Caterpillar would spend all those dollars and all that effort on health care for its employees, huh?

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