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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well 2 people driving down the street get in an accident can one just drive away? no.

if you do a no strings attached then that is the contract.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I fully realise you were just trying to make a point....and lord knows I have said some damm offensise things to make mine,but "a baby is a hell of a string".LOL see what happens when one engages RealOne....one is forced to all sorts of extremes

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The very first sentence of the OP says "multiple choice allowed".

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I would clarify, i have no issue with abortion or prochoice as long as both parents are on the same page, i believe the choice concept goes for both parents. The problem i see with my view is what happens when the Man doesn't know or she doesn't tell him or she doesn't know who is the father.

But i don't have the answers which is why i am torn.

angel

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I don't think that an abortion should be legal if a man made her have it for example. That is a circumstance. Granted an unlikely circumstance, but it does happen. That is why I am not comfortable saying in any circumstance.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I wonder why all the energy invested on this topic... abortion is about the right to receive medical treatment and to have privacy woman and her doctor. I do not care what men do with their penis and their sperm, nor what treatment a doctor performs on their penis. I do not care if they get their equipment snipped, etc...

All I want is privacy in my treatment per as is allowed by the constitution of the United States...

Your opinion is well known on the subject, and I would say if you do not like women having medical freedom you can always move to Afghanistan, they do not like women going to a doctor either, even attacking women for getting prenatal care, birth control, etc... I like having freedom and I am willing to do much to maintain it. If they ever illegalized abortion I would be involved in an underground railroad to help women maintain their reproductive freedom and not be enslaved by neanderthals

There is no common ground on this topic, no minds will be changed, it is basically flamebait

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I don't think that an abortion should be legal if a man made her have it for example. That is a circumstance. Granted an unlikely circumstance, but it does happen. That is why I am not comfortable saying in any circumstance.

Not to split hairs, but if a man *made* her have an abortion (forcibly held her down, drugged her, and had someone perform the surgery without her consent) it would be illegal either way.

So long as the woman signed the consent forms herself, nobody made her do it. Threatening to leave someone if they have a baby isn't forcing them to abort the baby, it's simply forcing them to make a decision on which person they prioritize.

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I understand Wyld, and i think opinions on this issue ALL of them are important to the whole. The yes the nos and the maybes and hell even the i don't knows lol.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Legally he could have it ordered, no? I'm not sure such a case has been won, but if we say under any circumstance, it opens the door to this supposition.

I know I'm splitting hairs myself, but I know from reading your posts how much you appreciate precise terminology :-)

Very true, actually, I hadn't thought of that.

I like you

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well of course your right to have the medical treatment you want ends at the next persons freedom to practice the religion they want.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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The very first sentence of the OP says "multiple choice allowed".

True. But I'm on my laptop and the poll took up my whole screen before I saw the OP. I'm sure others had this happen too.

I'm just giving you feedback. I hope you don't mind.

- LA

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm pro-choice right up to the point where we can just put a preemie up for adoption.  The sovereignty of a woman over her body has to trump the values conflict.

That said, I find it pretty distasteful, and like to remind the feminazi's of the bigger picture by saying that I fully support the right of asshole men to hand a woman a couple hundred bucks and tell her to get rid of the fucking thing.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Legally he could have it ordered, no? I'm not sure such a case has been won, but if we say under any circumstance, it opens the door to this supposition.

I know I'm splitting hairs myself, but I know from reading your posts how much you appreciate precise terminology :-)

Very true, actually, I hadn't thought of that.

I like you

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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well of course your right to have the medical treatment you want ends at the next persons freedom to practice the religion they want.

And to that I say keep your bibles away from my body!

- LA

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well 2 people driving down the street get in an accident can one just drive away? no.

if you do a no strings attached then that is the contract.

I think this analogy just broke down because I'm not sure if you're in favor of aborting a baby that's the result of a NSA liaison or opposed.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
my position is from contract because someone in the beginning said it was the "womans" with the implication sole right to do whatever.

Sure if they agree on it.

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I tried very hard to word the choices in non-offensive ways, and tried to encompass as many variables as possible.
The one you point out, is regarding if a woman's doctor sees something specific to cause alarm, but not life-risking.
If a doctor believes the mother's life is at risk, I understand her having the abortion.

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The general health of a woman is always at risk with a pregnancy. The effects of some of those risks show up much later in the pregnancy than abortion would even be allowed. At that point, you either have a late term abortion or a woman facing serious health issues over a pregnancy that she was forced to continue against her will, or both. Women can and do die in childbirth, even these days, and that is only one possible outcome. Complications from pregnancy can also leave her unable to conceive again, or with health problems that can continue for the rest of her life.

I think it interesting that you do not support the death penalty for crime, but do support a policy that would force a woman to unwillingly submit to something that could cause her death or permanent health issues. What was her crime again? Oh yeah, having sex.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I don't think that an abortion should be legal if a man made her have it for example. That is a circumstance. Granted an unlikely circumstance, but it does happen. That is why I am not comfortable saying in any circumstance.

- LA

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Too bad.  Get over it, because you can't have it both ways.  Empowering asshole men is a direct consequence of legal abortion.  If that is a dealbreaker for you, then get your ass over on the pro-life side. 
And it probably happens a lot more often than you would like to delude yourself into thinking.