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AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 2:18:34 PM)
I find it funny that people are presenting anything to other people about their weight. I don't care what the CDC says, I do not care what Dietitions say, I don't even care what my mother says. The mind is a much more active ingredent than ANYTHING else in regard to weight and weight loss. Wounds can run deep, coping mechinisms formed when the wound occurred can be stronger than logic, stronger than fear, stronger than life instincts. So Fuck the Carbs, Fuck the Fats, Fuck ANYONE who says ANYTHING about self control, Weight is a PERSONAL issue, it is something that can only be dealt with by the individual so remember that the next time you want to get up on a high horse and offer what you think is helpful because most of the time it really isn't. As for discussing small dicks and ED, okay fine I have a Small dick, I am also what is known as a Grower not a shower so when flacid I am even more small, I am also overweight do there is fat in the way of the full length of my penis. But ask my wife, she will tell you time and time again that I am the best lover she has ever had. I am Diabetic Type II and so ED comes with that and you know there are times I want an erection and can't get one and so that is kina annoying. There are people who will want to jump right in and go "Now see if you worked on your weight those problems might and most likely will go away" ...... Well no Shit Sherlock. You think I never put those together? the real question is why the fuck are you taking it on yourself to save me when I never asked and didn't want it? Man you know I really just don't get it...... I now see why we get so uppity about weight threads. It's because no one really ever understands where the other person is coming from. QSM

kiwisub12 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 3:22:23 PM)
Oh , i don't know, maybe its because everyone likes something to be superior about - and (no pun intended) fat is an easy target.[8\|]

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 3:49:37 PM)
quote: Then why is it that 58% had positive results when changing lifestyle habits, such as changing diets and exercising? That suggests that over half of people with type 2 diabetes acquire it through poor lifestyle choices. No it doesn't, it suggests that change in diet helped. Some diabetes can be controlled with diet and exercise, insulin isn't always required. zeph

subtee -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 5:02:11 PM)
This is quite possibly a dim question...nonetheless: If an s-type isn't to a D-type's physical preference because of weight, couldn't the D-type imagine molding or training the s-type, in a dominant way, to lose weight? I mean, it seems to me there are many D-types who take it upon themselves (so to speak) to improve their s-types, no? Therefore, D-types need not exclude persons because of their size. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about pre-existing medical impediments, etc. Edited to add: this is FR

DarlingSavage -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 5:42:38 PM)
quote: You are beautiful funny smart and hot, you will be just as lucky! Have fun, and thanks for the dialogue. Muah back at you! Well, thank you, that's very sweet of you to say. You ain't so bad yourself, either.[sm=yourock.gif] quote: There are also people I know that have no thyriod and gained weight because they had it removed. I knew a girl that had weight problems because of her thyroid, but she was living near Chernobyl when that nuclear power plant freaked out and she was affected by the fallout. My mom used to say that it was her thyroid, but I know from watching her and watching her lifestyle exactly what it is. The thing is is that if you want to lose weight, you can. You don't have to if you don't want to, but you can if you do. I did it and I've done it a few times in my life. This should be good news. Once you start working out, you'll love it, it will become your favorite time of day. You'll be so happy with yourself. I know I feel good when I get enough exercise and take care of myself. Lots of other people do, too. You can have it if you want it. It's there, it's not magic, it's not a big secret, you can have it. All you have to do is take it. If you want to know some things that I do, I'd be happy to tell you about it. No, it's not always easy, but it is certainly possible. You don't even have to spend any money to do it. [sm=cheering.gif] quote: quote: Then why is it that 58% had positive results when changing lifestyle habits, such as changing diets and exercising? That suggests that over half of people with type 2 diabetes acquire it through poor lifestyle choices. No it doesn't, it suggests that change in diet helped. Some diabetes can be controlled with diet and exercise, insulin isn't always required. zeph What kind of changes in diet do you think they made? By the time insulin is required, it's too late, you have diabetes. This was a study done on people with prediabetes. They changed lifestyle habits and they were able to prevent acquiring adult onset diabetes in so doing. quote: Inflammation has a strong connection to heart disease and stroke as well. American Heart Association Also: http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter/pub/news/hot/inflammation8_02.asp?firstCat=1&secondCat=429&thirdCat=524 The first article from AHA discusses the use of a protein in identifying heart disease. Again, I have to ask if you read these articles. I think I must be the only one that has between the two of us. Your article states: However not all of the established cardiovascular risk factors were controlled for when the association was examined. The true independent association between hs-CRP and new cardiovascular events hasn’t yet been established. It goes on to state: The major injurious factors that promote atherogenesis — cigarette smoking, hypertension, atherogenic lipoproteins, and hyperglycemia — are well established. These risk factors give rise to a variety of noxious stimuli that cause the release of chemicals and the activation of cells involved in the inflammatory process. These events are thought to contribute not only to the formation of plaque but may also contribute to its disruption resulting in the formation of a blood clot. Thus, virtually every step in atherogenesis is believed to involve substances involved in the inflammatory response and cells that are characteristic of inflammation. So, what is hyperglycemia? It's elevated levels of sugar in the blood. How could a person elevate their blood sugar? This is from American Diabetes Association: What causes hyperglycemia? A number of things can cause hyperglycemia: •If you have type 1, you may not have given yourself enough insulin. •If you have type 2, your body may have enough insulin, but it is not as effective as it should be. •You ate more than planned or exercised less than planned. •You have stress from an illness, such as a cold or flu. •You have other stress, such as family conflicts or school or dating problems. While there are several causes given for hyperglycemia, you can't ignore the fact that eating too much and not exercising enough is up there. The second article after the AHA article is basically a more generalized article about the first. It's also about CRP or C-reactive Protein. But right here at the very end, this article states: What is the treatment of high CRP? Inflammation should be treated by lifestyle change, such as losing weight, exercising, controlling diabetes, stopping smoking, controlling high blood pressure, and reducing alcohol intake. Antithrombotic medications such as aspirin or clopidogrel may provide protection. Cholesterol-lowering statin drugs and ACE inhibitors may also reduce CRP. Your doctor will prescribe the correct medications and dosage to treat your condition.

hngnyc -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 6:12:39 PM)
Howdy Forum! quote: ...everyone likes something to be superior about.. This! Cheetahs are fast, giraffes are tall, and humans need confidence to function and excel in society. It's completely human to be proud of your advantages and achievements. If you're naturally slim or work at staying fit, you have a right to be proud. It's threatening to hear fatties tell each other that they are beautiful because it could diminish your advantage. And when you are looking for a partner and you find there are few options in the fit or slim category, it can extra annoying to hear people saying that being out of shape is some how good or okay, when we all kinda know that it is not. For me, statistics are worthless when not integrated with other information, analyzed and conclusions drawn by the party concerned. They are averages that have lttle use for an individual that wants to make a change for themselves. Every body is built differently and knowing how your BMI compares to a national average is not useful and potentially harmful. I believe an opinion, or personal experience is more useful in that an individual can consider the view along with their own information and opinion without being burdened by question of whether what they are hearing is a useful fact. I'm a fatty. Been so my whole life but never understood why it was such a struggle until my late twenties, now 41. Sugars and refined carbs are my crack cocaine. Feel good, fuck me up, then crave more and more. I no longer look to the heavens and wonder "why me?" and "what can I do?" I know why me and know what to do lose it and maintain. It's manageable for me and I confident about it. It may be different for you, but it's important to pay attention to what you eat and how it's affecting your body, both immediately and longer term. It's really not so hard once you start. If sugar is your crack, it's easy to tell. For you judgemental types, being mouthy about you superior ideals reflects poorly on you. Nobodys perfect, there is something definitely sucky about you and folks let you slide all the time. I believe everything good in life (comfort, joy, success, etc) depends on the cooperation of other people. Let it slide or lend a hand. But please don't add more trouble to someone working on something that is profoundly difficult and complex. And know they are "working" on it all the time. -hng

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 6:49:32 PM)
quote: What kind of changes in diet do you think they made? By the time insulin is required, it's too late, you have diabetes. sighs DS I work in Healthcare, in fact I used to work in the Diabetes Clinic at my hospital. I know for a fact that no it's not too late. Control of diet and exercise - worked on with a nutritionist - can and frequently do help control diabetes. Insulin of course is most often but not necessarily needed but sometimes diet and exercise alone can do it. What changes in diet are made vary according to the patient, there isn't a diabetes diet that works for everyone.

Smutmonger -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 6:54:57 PM)
I understand that a lot of Goreans do things like this routinely. Then again,they aren't afraid to make changes in something they understand as "owning." And the slaves I have spoken with who have lost 100 pounds or so under regimens like this don't seem terribly upset over it. They can run with ease-and it sure as hell isn't away from a master who cares that much about them-and wants as many years out of them as possible. Others seem to be too "pc" to even consider this horrible option. And before I get brayed at-they undertook this WITH professional medical guidance. quote: ORIGINAL: subtee This is quite possibly a dim question...nonetheless: If an s-type isn't to a D-type's physical preference because of weight, couldn't the D-type imagine molding or training the s-type, in a dominant way, to lose weight? I mean, it seems to me there are many D-types who take it upon themselves (so to speak) to improve their s-types, no? Therefore, D-types need not exclude persons because of their size. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about pre-existing medical impediments, etc. Edited to add: this is FR

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 7:08:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hngnyc -hng I wonder how seriouly you take someone who chose the acronym for Horney Net Geek (HNG) which as far as I can remember is one of the least respected, least desired, derogatory term you could have for someone in the Online world. Other than that I think it's a pretty ballsy name. QSM

hngnyc -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 7:12:34 PM)
Ha ha ha! Bingo! My intro may soon follow.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 7:52:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: What kind of changes in diet do you think they made? By the time insulin is required, it's too late, you have diabetes. sighs DS I work in Healthcare, in fact I used to work in the Diabetes Clinic at my hospital. I know for a fact that no it's not too late. Control of diet and exercise - worked on with a nutritionist - can and frequently do help control diabetes. Insulin of course is most often but not necessarily needed but sometimes diet and exercise alone can do it. What changes in diet are made vary according to the patient, there isn't a diabetes diet that works for everyone. Are you saying that once insulin is required, you can still get rid of diabetes by changing your diet and developing an exercise routine? Why the big sighs? Not once have I said that obesity was the SOLE cause of diabetes. Not once have I tried to state that all people were the same and needed the same kind of diet, but really, we all know what's healthy and what isn't. I mean, you just said it right there, some people were able to control their diabetes with diet and exercise rather than take insulin, you didn't say get rid of it. You totally left out the part where I said that the study I was referring to was on people with prediabetes and that in that study, the people were able to prevent developing diabetes altogether through diet and exercise which is what would have happened if they had not changed lifestyle habits. It seems like you're confirming what I'm saying then trying to come back and say, "not really." That doesn't make sense.

Aneirin -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/24/2010 8:39:58 PM)
In reference to the OP, my understanding that people might get touchy about fat or weight related threads, is because the larger people in our society are constantly being demonised by all and sundry, as if larger, fat or weighty people are not ideal people. This of course, if it is so that larger people are less than ideal in the view of many might have nazi like undertones, as if there is an ideal size and the larger do not fit in. Furthermore those who are large I have noticed on this website, when they fill out their profile on the other side, describe themselves very quickly into their description as a bbw, something which indicates to me that the person is aware their size is an issue to others. But if one breaks this all down to basics, in the past where life was harder, a fat person might well have been a higher rank person, a person who does not need to run around and chase things or grub around in the ground in order to eat, for they have minnions to do that for them, one wonders, if the dislike for fat might have something to do with this, or the fact that there is a belief that a fat person cannot pull their weight when it comes to chores. The dislike for fat seems to be largely a western phenomena for many countries, Africa notably, the large woman is deemed to be sexy, the thin woman is seen to be under fed. I cannot help but think the current demonsing of fat people has something to do with the various eugenics programmes tried by various countries prior to and post ww2, we are perhaps living with the residue of those times, and the current health related aspect, is just an excuse for past ideas. If governments we elect to look after our needs care so much about our health, then they should act on it, identify the problems and act accordingly, if necessary, ban the problem causing things, bollocks to corporate whatever, it is people who elect them, respond to the people based upon sound advice from the healthcare professionals.

WyldHrt -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 1:11:15 AM)
quote: Wyld, some people make those kind of remarks no matter what their target weighs. I've actually had a group of women argue back and forth with each other about whether I was too fat or too skinny, with all of them being pretty nasty about it, and have had similar remarks from a lot of other people. I'm a size 5, and my BMI has never been above the "normal" range. Thanks, Anda. I went through something similar when (at age 21) the guy I was seeing decreed that the 'perfect woman' was 5'9" and weighed 125lbs. As it happened, he made this statement while we were in bed. I laughed in his face, as I was 150lbs of nearly solid muscle and the thought of losing 25lbs to meet his idea of 'perfection' was incredibly funny. When I was done laughing, I kicked him the hell out. It isn't something that I let bother me much anymore. If people have nothing better to do than criticize others without knowing thing one about them (beyond their weight), they have much bigger issues than I ever will (pun intended). [;)] For me, it is a screening technique, both for relationships and friendships. There is a world of difference between expressing a personal preference, when it comes to sexual attraction, and making blanket statements/ judgements about lack of willpower, laziness and all that other shit. Unfortunately, some who have posted here have lost my respect due to their attitudes (you know who you are). That said, overweight folks are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If an overweight person says they are unhappy about their weight, they are "whining", "lazy", and "making excuses". If an overweight person says that they are perfectly happy and comfortable in their skin, the nannys show up with the old, "Being fat is nothing to be proud of", "you need to lose weight", and "Fat people cost us money because they are unhealthy" schtick. Seriously, just.... LOL!

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 3:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee This is quite possibly a dim question...nonetheless: If an s-type isn't to a D-type's physical preference because of weight, couldn't the D-type imagine molding or training the s-type, in a dominant way, to lose weight? I mean, it seems to me there are many D-types who take it upon themselves (so to speak) to improve their s-types, no? Therefore, D-types need not exclude persons because of their size. Disclaimer: I'm not talking about pre-existing medical impediments, etc. Edited to add: this is FR Absolutely. And echoing LaT's earlier post, much of it, for me, is being healthy, not necessarily some exact, "ideal" weight. Eating well, getting some exercise, putting forth some effort.

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 3:28:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: What kind of changes in diet do you think they made? By the time insulin is required, it's too late, you have diabetes. sighs DS I work in Healthcare, in fact I used to work in the Diabetes Clinic at my hospital. I know for a fact that no it's not too late. Control of diet and exercise - worked on with a nutritionist - can and frequently do help control diabetes. Insulin of course is most often but not necessarily needed but sometimes diet and exercise alone can do it. What changes in diet are made vary according to the patient, there isn't a diabetes diet that works for everyone. Are you saying that once insulin is required, you can still get rid of diabetes by changing your diet and developing an exercise routine? Why the big sighs? Not once have I said that obesity was the SOLE cause of diabetes. Not once have I tried to state that all people were the same and needed the same kind of diet, but really, we all know what's healthy and what isn't. I mean, you just said it right there, some people were able to control their diabetes with diet and exercise rather than take insulin, you didn't say get rid of it. You totally left out the part where I said that the study I was referring to was on people with prediabetes and that in that study, the people were able to prevent developing diabetes altogether through diet and exercise which is what would have happened if they had not changed lifestyle habits. It seems like you're confirming what I'm saying then trying to come back and say, "not really." That doesn't make sense. I think what zephy is saying is that you can totally get off insulin, and for all intent and purpose, have a normal blood sugar, as long as you maintain the diet and/or exercise you've taken up. This is pretty much what happens to the pre-diabetics we spoke of earlier; if they veer off from eating well/exercise, the pre-diabetes comes back, so it isn't truly a "cure" in the traditional sense. It's too early to be thinking! Arrgh! Head hurts!! [8D]

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 3:33:01 AM)
quote: I think what zephy is saying is that you can totally get off insulin, and for all intent and purpose, have a normal blood sugar, as long as you maintain the diet and/or exercise you've taken up. This is pretty much what happens to the pre-diabetics we spoke of earlier; if they veer off from eating well/exercise, the pre-diabetes comes back, so it isn't truly a "cure" in the traditional sense. It's too early to be thinking! Arrgh! Head hurts!! Not necessarily Level. Some still need insulin but diet and exercise help keep the diabetes under control so they require less insulin. Then again some don't need insulin at all, at least when they are first diagnosed.

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 3:50:16 AM)
Yes, some. I told ya'll it's too early!

RCdc -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 4:09:04 AM)
Bah. If I want to be thin, I have to be irresponsible and come off the pill. It's just lose/lose.[;)] the.dark.

Lockit -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 6:35:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkVictory Honestly it is because fat broads lack self control. Given that they can't control their eating, they usually can't control their emotions or much else. When you look at a fat broad, you're literally seeing the degree to which she lacks self-discipline and self-control. You're seeing an outward manifestation of their inner turmoil. Every fat broad alive knows that once she hits the 'obese' category, like it or not she's shortening her lifespan and putting herself at risk for diabetes, heart attack, etc. So threads erupt in flamage because they hate themselves at some deep inner point (or else they wouldn't be killing themselves) and they don't want to face that (that's why they're still fat), and because there are so many retarded white knight idiots running around trying to save women over the internet from the harsh voice of criticism. I haven't seen you in a very long time and this is the first post I have seen you make since you left. What a re-entry in my mind. Fat broads? Followed by some of the worst ignorance I have heard of medical and emotional facts, slanted in ugliness, by one who would feel comfortable calling women fat broads. Where was the fat guys attack? How about the balding one's or the short cocked one's? Or how about those with blue eyes? Isn't your hair a tad bit red? In some other ignorant opinion of one surely informed on the wrong side of the healthy attitude/emotional health scale, I am sure you would fit into someone's slam dunk. While you do have some fact's straight, you blend them with personal opinion that slants it all and makes your comment's invalid. I have known some pretty fucked up messes who were very low in weight and some real 5150's. You cannot say that weight is the proof of much of what you say or attitude the only cause of weight. My average weight all my life was 90-95 pounds. There were some who didn't want to have sex with me because they were afraid my bones would poke them. I had a baby and lost the extra fifty pounds I gained with each one within two weeks, as my thyroid always went off and I stayed skinny. They said that in twenty years I would gain weight as it would switch. I would eat one cookie in three days time if I ate one at all. I ate fish, chicken, veggies, nuts, cheese, crackers and sometimes beans. I drank some coffee for medical purposes, milk for medical purposes and a sip of soda a couple times a day and gained fifty pounds. Just like that. When CreativeDominat came to meet me I think I weighed 107-112. I was medicated for pain at the time. Within months I was no longer medicated for pain, highly stressed and unable to move around as I did when medicated. My eating did not change, but I did crave carbs as I was exhausted from pain. My thyroid was off again. Now I don't know what I weigh. Maybe 135-145. With a back injury caused by a man with a bit of that mental health attitude and no pain medication, the stress alone can make me gain weight now, but add the thyroid, not being able to dance like I did, which was four hours a day and I was never healthy skinny or not, you cannot say I am doing anything wrong. Nor do I hate myself. If you wish to go bash people, start with the one in the mirror. It is one thing to be ignorant... another to announce it.

takemeforyourown -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/25/2010 9:20:56 PM)
I am reminded of my first Dom. He had recently undergone a gastric bypass before we met. He weighed 350 on his 5'10" frame, but he blew my mind in bed. I hate that people automatically dismiss each other because of weight. Shit, I could stand to lose 30 pounds, but I'd bet I'm a hell of a lot more fun in the sack than a rowboat full of the skinny bitches I know.

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