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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 10:53:02 AM   
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But they don't say what they're graphing.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 10:53:15 AM   
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Says right on it: Congressional Budget Office.

So do these...

Hmmm... can only upload one at a time..





Doesn't that say the same thing the other graph showed? Or am I missing something?


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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 10:58:59 AM   
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Edited to add: Damn I am on a roll today, 2 edits in the same thread. The graph is of deficit spending and projections as according to the CBO and White House as of Mar '09.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:13:55 AM   
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Also from the CBO, a more accurate assessment than the way you phrased things, if perhaps technically correct.

For starters, national defense is 21% of the budget, and that doesn't include Veterans.



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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:30:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		A couple of those pieces of pie are going to be getting much bigger. For the record defense spending has actually (believe it or not) been becoming a smaller % of the budget and GDP over the last 42 years, even with the spike during he Bush years. Another piece of the pie that will be growing rather quickly is the interest on all of this debt.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:36:34 AM   
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Note my edit.


Ah, OK. Gotcha. You were referring to the Obama deficit. I thought we were still talking about the Clinton surplus. Sorry.


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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:47:01 AM   
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Note my edit.


Ah, OK. Gotcha. You were referring to the Obama deficit. I thought we were still talking about the Clinton surplus. Sorry.


Not just Obama, Bush did his fair share of the insane spending that has added to the current picture.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:54:47 AM   
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You'll find no argument from me on that, but I would add that Obama campaigned on pledges to usher in more fiscally responsible leadership.


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Not just Obama, Bush did his fair share of the insane spending that has added to the current picture.


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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 11:55:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		At the end of the day, it comes down to this:

*What do we want?
*What do we need?
*What is the best way to meet those wants and needs?

Debate over this is fine, because it helps refine approaches.

Instead, we have this:

*How can my faction get the most power?
*How can I best hurt the other factions?
*How can I best spin/lie about data to accomplish those power goals?

Ironically, it's exactly what the Federalists feared.

Imagine instead we said:

*OK, we don't want people starving in retirement.
*OK, we don't want people financially ruined when they get sick.
*OK, we need some programs run to best administer public needs--how best to manage this?

We'd be working toward goals, not trading threats, names, and dire predictions.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 12:51:21 PM   
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Yous are too difficult to live with.

High maintenance- dead weight.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 1:42:24 PM   
Musicmystery


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If you can't discuss the topic, go read a book.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 1:49:57 PM   
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Therefore- I need more space.  It is sort of funny.  For as against this-- that I am- and as meek as I am- there are many men who are not meek.  Wait til you piss off the men who have the fight instinct.

The hand picking my pocket is the issue.

-- when you piss off the football crowd-  I would hate to be in the line of rage.

You have no idea how people don't want others controlling their life.  Be glad- I post.  I am the polite one.  Gently letting you know the line is soon crossed.   The bad boys who are tougher then I am- well- when they get in the face of the grid- it wont be a chipper as my gentle posts.



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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 1:54:10 PM   
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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 1:54:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've often heard of, and from, young folks that insist they're healthy, so why should they get insurance?

That's the exact age group that is most prone to trauma, and you can rack up some serious bucks that way.
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That's exactly it. What kind of an idiot would want to do that, anyway? Do you really think the best use for your money is to have upwards of a million dollars tied up in a personal health fund for your entire life? Because that's what they'd have to do. If they decide, at age 20, that they're really healthy and don't need to pay into a national health insurance system, then they need to agree that when they're 60 years old and diagnosed with prostrate cancer, they will be on their own. If they don't have enough money saved up, tough shit. They made their choices.

I mean, after all - why should I pay for the health care of people who make poor choices? That's the talking point, isn't it?

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 1:58:47 PM   
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But it's certainly possible, given that a large - even very large - majority of the public has favored it consistently over the last year.


If you can show me the polls to that I might not consider you to have made them up.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 2:02:50 PM   
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But it's certainly possible, given that a large - even very large - majority of the public has favored it consistently over the last year.


If you can show me the polls to that I might not consider you to have made them up.


If you could be bothered to read the entire thread, you won't have to agonize over whether or not to believe me, and I won't have to agonize over whether or not i give a flying fuck.

Oh. Wait. I already don't need to agonize over that, because I don't.


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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 2:04:03 PM   
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That can only happen if people prefer the public option to private insurance.


Which they will do when the gummint susidizes 40% of the cost with my tax money

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 2:06:04 PM   
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I've often heard of, and from, young folks that insist they're healthy, so why should they get insurance?

That's the exact age group that is most prone to trauma, and you can rack up some serious bucks that way.


Good point. You're a 20-year old who wants to spend your money on a rocket bike instead of health insurance? Be my guest, but when you try to climb a bridge abutment at 90 miles an hour on that bike, don't bother climbing into the ambulance when they come to scrape you up. Just tell them you're self-insured, you've got 800 bucks saved up for medical emergencies, and you'd prefer to just bleed to death right there and get it over with.


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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 2:08:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		If a 20 year old set aside $25 a week (they spend more on frivolous things), even at a modest 5%, they'd have $219,530 at retirement. If they saved $50, they've have $439,061.

If they got a conservative long term stock market return of 8%, they'd have $1,142,817.15.

Most wait until age 50, though, yielding $74,974.95 ($70,000 is the average retirement savings), saving 1/3 of the time and getting 6.5% of the final balance--when they could have easily retired millionaires.

Try explaining that to a young person, though.

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RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc - 3/28/2010 2:10:31 PM   
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That can only happen if people prefer the public option to private insurance.


Which they will do when the gummint susidizes 40% of the cost with my tax money


You seem hung up on how the money leaves your pocket.

A dollar is a dollar, whether it goes in premiums or taxes.

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