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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/27/2010 11:07:46 PM   
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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/27/2010 11:27:36 PM   
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  And some people here ask me because I live in Canada why I get involved in the health care debate and demand I say nothing.



I would think that any "American" would promote free speech outside of their borders as well as within.

Back to the "Basic Function of Government." I believe there's another description of that, the Preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Mandating that every citizen be forced to buy a product from a private company is hardly a "Blessing of Liberty." And it is doubtful that the numerous entitlements the Federal Government provides was the founding fathers' idea of promoting "General Welfare."

If a patient is guaranteed that a doctor will be provided to care for them. who chooses the doctor? Free care does not equal quality care, we all get what we pay for, in theory... Instead of physicians being designated to perform certain operations, maybe they should be allowed to bid what they are willing to do it for. There is no guarantee that the doctor who provides the lowest bid will do any better or worse job than one who provides the highest bid. Doesn't the oath that doctors sign say something about not turning away anybody who needs care?





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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/27/2010 11:53:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The founding fathers also believed the Land of the Free was for white men only, if you recall. Shall we return to the state of true slavery and the belittlement of women? Our founding fathers were simply men trying to do their best to establish and run a new country. Guess what? They made mistakes, just like any other man would.

As far as the oath, depends on which version. But they all say.. do no harm... not that they cannot turn someone away.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 12:27:08 AM   
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"I simply cannot allow partisan politics to stand in the way of the basic functioning of government," Obama said in a statement, as he makes his recess appointments from where else? Camp David.

Could he please explain again, how health care reform passed?


The Senate passed a bill, the House passed the exact same bill, the President signed it. Simple as A-B-C.



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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 1:03:11 AM   
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The founding fathers also believed the Land of the Free was for white men only, if you recall. Shall we return to the state of true slavery and the belittlement of women? Our founding fathers were simply men trying to do their best to establish and run a new country. Guess what? They made mistakes, just like any other man would.

As far as the oath, depends on which version. But they all say.. do no harm... not that they cannot turn someone away.


I don't think they were envisioning the country being ran as one entity, but allowing the states to remain sovereign. The political motives of the men who framed the constitution were probably quite different than the pilgrims who first settled here.

It appears as if the earliest slaves brought here, to meet labor needs, could actually earn their freedom as indentured servants. Their rights to vote did not begin to be abolished until
late in the 17th century, probably for much the same reason immigrants are not permitted to vote now. Only the wealthy could afford true slaves, sort of like trying to find one on this site.... Without the resources that the precursors to today's corporations could provide, those that could afford slaves, the war against England may not have been won.

Almost 90 years before the revolution, some Quakers in Germantown wrote a petition against slavery. The Stono rebellion, Bacon's Rebellion, the New York Slave Insurrection, slavery indeed was a big issue by the time the Revolutionary era arrived and the petition addressed that as the topic of human rights became formalized with the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Following the Revolution, some of the newly formed independent states began to ban slave trade, it was a state issue, not a federal issue. Get it now? It was not banned by the Constitution until most of the states had already banned it.

Interesting how someone professing to be a slave complains about a white man's attitude towards women's rights and slavery. As far as doing no harm by turning somebody away, here's a little story: Years ago, three of us were riding around , drinking, and we got stuck in the middle of a muddy field. Two of us got out to push. As the car began to move, we hopped on the trunk, it seemed the logical thing to do in case the car got stuck before getting back out to the road, we would be right there to help continue the momentum. As the car got back on the road, the driver accelerated. We had to have been doing at least 50 mph on that dirt road, when my friend began to slowly slide off the trunk. I was doing all I could to maintain my own grip, but could not bear to watch my friend fall, so I reached out to give him a hand. When he grabbed hold of it we both tumbled off the trunk. Luckilly, we were pretty drunk and didn't get too hurt. My friend was pretty pissed at the driver, I was just happy to be in one piece. So, by not lending him a hand, I was doing him no harm?

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 1:29:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suggest you read up on the hypocratic oath and the changes that has taken effect over the centuries. the doing no harm is in reference to making deliberate mistakes. the modern oath also makes stipulations for the dr to do no harm to the employer as well. again, read up on the changes.

and there is a huge difference between being a consensual slave and a legal one. perhaps you may wish to read up on that as well.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 1:41:15 AM   
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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 2:27:39 AM   
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30,000,000,000 are gonna drop in to say hi.


People who have insurance now don't do this. Why would newly insured people do this?


Actually what worries me more about the possibility of increased lines, is the number of doctors who are leaving the profession already. (I personally know of 3: One is a friend who can't afford to practice anymore, and another friend received letters from his oncologist and primary care physician informing their patients they were shutting down.)

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 2:51:48 AM   
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You don't know what you're talking about. I have a sister in California who needs  vascular surgery right now because her veins are not working and the surgeon will not see her because she has no health insurance. And that makes me angry and I can't stand listening to people like you who have never been really ill and don't what you're talking about as to what goes on in the real world.




You are a liar.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 3:21:01 AM   
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"I simply cannot allow partisan politics to stand in the way of the basic functioning of government," Obama said in a statement, as he makes his recess appointments from where else? Camp David.

Could he please explain again, how health care reform passed?

The Senate passed a bill, the House passed the exact same bill, the President signed it. Simple as A-B-C.

Indeed they did, in a very partisan manner.

You mean, straight-up-or-down-vote partisan? Patriot Act partisan? COBRA partisan?

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 3:33:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		It wouldn't matter if the two parties were all holding hands on the way to Sunday school when they passed it, it's a scam. The only real difference between the two parties is from which direction the shaft is coming. I wonder if Vegas is taking wagers on whether martial law will be imposed before which November?

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 4:44:21 AM   
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I suggest you read up on that oath to learn how to spell it.


Who is the bigger idiot? the one who cannot spell it correctly, or the one who runs his mouth about what it contains before actually reading it?

hmmm

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 4:55:32 AM   
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I suggest you read up on the hypocratic oath
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I suggest you read up on that oath to learn how to spell it.

This mysterious symbol or letter is also conspicuously featured as a medical symbol and it appears on the Hippocratic Oath (Hypocratic Oath) that medical practitioners have to sign after qualifying and before being accepted into the medical infrastructure. "I swear by Apollo the Physician and Asclepius and Hygeia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses,  to keep according to my ability and my judgement  the following oath: ....etc"  http://www.dcmsonline.org/jax-medicine/july99/presmess.htm The Hypocratic Oath to this day, has been  "the basis and symbol of the high ethical standard of Western Medicine".  It was formulated thousands of years ago, to define the role and duties of a physician and it is dedicated to the teachings of Hippocrates, a contemporary of Plato.  Hippocrates was the man who first separated medicine from religion and disease from supernatural explanations.
http://www.revelations.org.za/Q&A5.htm


Duel spelling of that one, Alphascendant

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:36:08 AM   
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"May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help."

I guess they forgot to add "for a fee" on that.

And , of course, the liberals of the day must have rewrote this part;
"I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy"

And just where do you find his name spelled "Hypocrates?"

Hypocratic oath, even spell check doesn't agree with it. Spelling appropriately changed to reflect the majority of those who sign it.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:42:39 AM   
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Are you girls always such dumb cunts? Or are you normally stupid bitches?


And just where do you find his name spelled "Hypocrates?"

Hypocratic oath, even spell check doesn't agree with it. Spelling appropriately changed to reflect the majority of those who sign it.
resorting to name calling when proven wrong is a true sign of a weak character.




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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:44:25 AM   
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Are you girls always such dumb cunts? Or are you normally stupid bitches?

"May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help."

I guess they forgot to add "for a fee" on that.

And , of course, the liberals of the day must have rewrote this part;
"I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy"

And just where do you find his name spelled "Hypocrates?"

Hypocratic oath, even spell check doesn't agree with it. Spelling appropriately changed to reflect the majority of those who sign it.


Do you get this pissy when a guy shows you you're wrong, or is it only when the girls do it? 


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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:52:10 AM   
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Especially 30 billion of them. Where are they going to find 5 times the total world population, and how are they going to get them all to the emergency room?


Silly Panda, they are going to import them from other planets....doh!!


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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:53:44 AM   
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Are you girls always such dumb cunts? Or are you normally stupid bitches?

"May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help."

I guess they forgot to add "for a fee" on that.

And , of course, the liberals of the day must have rewrote this part;
"I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy"

And just where do you find his name spelled "Hypocrates?"

Hypocratic oath, even spell check doesn't agree with it. Spelling appropriately changed to reflect the majority of those who sign it.


Do you get this pissy when a guy shows you you're wrong, or is it only when the girls do it? 

Thishereboi poses a very good question.



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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:53:55 AM   
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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/28/2010 5:55:27 AM   
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Heeey...thanks Alphascent. I didn't know Tazzy called you that, but I do agree it is worth repeating.

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