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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:39:28 PM

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In other words...he's correct to call BS on this.

Tell that to a very good friend of mine who is hopefully meeting with his new oncologist tomorrow morning.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:44:49 PM

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No, you show a causal chain that establishes this trend.

I saw a falling star last night. It doesn't mean the sky is falling.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:47:26 PM

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Are we going to have to create a no spin zone?

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No, you show a causal chain that establishes this trend.

I saw a falling star last night. It doesn't mean the sky is falling.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:48:22 PM

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I'd settle for evidence of sweeping claims.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:50:11 PM

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No, you first show that I'm trying to establish a definitive trend, or drop the strawman. :p

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:51:58 PM

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I'd settle for evidence of sweeping claims.

Expressing a bit of worry after hearing of 3 doctors leaving the profession is hardly a "sweeping claim."

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:53:52 PM

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You are an obtuse one, aren't you.

Here's your sweeping claim:

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Actually what worries me more about the possibility of increased lines, is the number of doctors who are leaving the profession already.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:54:28 PM

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I think I'm gonna make a profile to moderate the spin around here... Hammer people with BS Points

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I'd settle for evidence of sweeping claims.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 4:55:01 PM

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Expressing a bit of worry after hearing of 3 doctors leaving the profession is hardly a "sweeping claim."

Nice of you though to edit the part out where I specified that the number of doctors that I know of equals 3.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:04:21 PM

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OK, play dense. Here we go. You:

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Actually what worries me more about the possibility of increased lines, is the number of doctors who are leaving the profession already. (I personally know of 3: One is a friend who can't afford to practice anymore, and another friend received letters from his oncologist and primary care physician informing their patients they were shutting down.)

Then, you ignored these points:

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I'm calling 'BS' on this one.

There's probably more doctors going the other direction -- retiring early to avoid dealing with insurance companies.

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Plus, if this were the reason, they'd have five years yet.

To say---

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Call it what you want, I know for a fact it's happened.

The one who can't afford to practice anymore isn't a direct result of this bill, it's due to some other medicare cuts. She's in the physical therapy side of things, diagnosing problems and often referring patients to specialists, so her field isn't of the type to be able to rapid fire appointments.

For the other 2, I just know the guy who got the letters from his oncologist and PCP so don't have more detail there.

So it's hardly:

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Expressing a bit of worry after hearing of 3 doctors leaving the profession

It IS, as you asked:

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you first show that I'm trying to establish a definitive trend

Without the ability to meet this:

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I'd settle for evidence of sweeping claims.

So, I've no need for

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the strawman

as I'm speaking directly to what you've claimed.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:09:18 PM

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You claim I "ignored" a post, when in Post 58, one of them is the post I quoted and responded to?

I speak of 3 doctors I know of that quit, and he calls "BS", so I come back with claiming that I know for a fact it's happened...

What did I "know for a fact happened?"

That 3 doctors I know of quit. As I very clearly explained in that post.

Once again, a bit of worry over 3 doctors quitting is hardly a "sweeping claim."

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:14:45 PM

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You're backpedalling pretty fast, there, fella.

Post 57 is my post. Yours is the one responding to the worry 30 million people are suddenly gonna show up at the doctor's office. You then chime in with your three doctors, quitting five years before any of this happens.

There are so many holes here it's almost silly to point them out.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:18:44 PM

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Okay, reposted just for MM's understanding (since apparently anything less than being this specific is a "sweeping claim" in his world.")

Actually what worries me more about the possibility of increased lines, is the number of doctors (I know of 3) who are leaving the profession already (since I know of 3). One is a friend who can't afford to practice anymore, and another friend received letters from his oncologist and primary care physician informing their patients they were shutting down. This totals up to 3.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:21:12 PM

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And claiming we need to worry about increased lines because three doctors you know are leaving over a policy that doesn't take place for another five years is damn ridiculous.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:23:57 PM

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And claiming we need to worry about increased lines because three doctors you know are leaving over a policy that doesn't take place for another five years is damn ridiculous.

Strawman. I made no claim as to what I think you should worry. I did make an observation of what had me worried, however.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:25:55 PM

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Oh for crying out loud.

OK then. You worry about ridiculous shit, and for ridiculous reasons.

I hope that's accurate enough for you.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:26:10 PM

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the surgeon will not see her because she has no health insurance.

My condolences to you and your sister.

That is what I am talking about. That surgeon may be good at cutting people open, but that does not make him a "good" surgeon. The manager of my storage facility has a granddaughter that was recently, badly injured in an accident that peeled over half of the skin away from her forehead. There was no insurance to cover her. What there was, however, was a surgeon, that was not even on duty and just happened to be in town on vacation, who performed the surgery to fix her up at no charge. Why did he do it? Because he has a daughter.

So you are suggesting instead of health care reform we rely on the good graces of doctors to to administer free health care?

Sorry to disappoint you but there are as many greedy and corrupt doctors as there are in any other business.

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:30:24 PM

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So MM, you are saying that nothing will happen as a result of Obama's reform for 5 years? Nothing at all? you might want to explain that to Obama....

And what % of the uninsured have no need to go to the doctor? You are declaring that enough of them don't want care, and won't show up, that there will be no effect, aren't you?

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:31:38 PM

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OK then. You worry about ridiculous shit, and for ridiculous reasons.

I obviously disagree as what's "ridiculous" here. Since I'm quite well aware that 3 doctors isn't enough to make a sweeping claim of doctors quitting en masse, I wouldn't do such a thing, but on the other hand, I couldn't imagine I happen to know the *only 3 doctors in the whole country* who is quitting or about to quit.

My worry is that there is a possibility that they could be the start of a coming trend. (And to hopefully avoid that being twisted into another strawman; that's a wide distance from making a sweeping claim that a trend exists.)

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RE: Basic Functioning of Government - 3/29/2010 5:33:22 PM

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Ah, here's the spin and the strawman.

No such claim. I do call bullshit on doctors fleeing the profession because some clown knows three doctors quitting now, citing unsuccessful practices, for conditions that haven't started yet.

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