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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/8/2006 7:56:13 AM

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Daddy and I don't have too many rituals about eating. I don't cook in his house so he either does it or we order in. I can pick whatever I want, but it has to be approved by him and I'm not allowed sweets or anything very high in fat or calories. He brings it to me, and I sit on the floor in my corner. I'm not allowed to start until he tells me I can and once I'm done, I'm to put my dishes down and lay down to wait for him. I'm also only allowed water to drink, but I occasionally get a diet Snapple Peach Tea.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/8/2006 9:49:04 AM

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She has an order to always drink using her left hand even when she is not with me. If she forgets in any situation, she will be punished.

I'm curious as to what brought about this particular order, since dining etiquette demands that beverages be consumed with the right hand, requiring the putting down of the fork to do so. That's why glassware is placed where it is in a "proper" table setting.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 8:31:36 AM

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Hey riot nope nothing is up. Just chillin now from a bad weekend. Nasty weather in TN and NC. Damn tornados caused wreck outside of Nashville and I never got to meet misstress... pist me off... LOL... totally wrecked my car

. Hi Tears, welcome to the board nice to meet you.

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Like Evanesce, I'm curious as to the left hand drinking. Being how I am ambidextric.... it's not a problem for me. But then again I am sure, there's a madness to the method as they say.... LOL

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 9:34:37 AM

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True! Welcome back, sweetie...

Tell ya what - come on out here & i'll teach you how to serve dinner with your back...lmao...we can do a side-by-side thing. i'll carry the plate and you can carry an.......apple.

As for the left handed drinking, my only thought is that perhaps it is a way of controlling the submissive to do the opposite of what is proper; to go against the grain. If we are embedded with ideals growing up, we are sometimes pushed to change them in our submission. Perhaps it makes her stand out, and draws attention, thus a form of humiliation.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 10:08:51 AM

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True! Welcome back, sweetie...

Tell ya what - come on out here & i'll teach you how to serve dinner with your back...lmao...we can do a side-by-side thing. i'll carry the plate and you can carry an.......apple.

As for the left handed drinking, my only thought is that perhaps it is a way of controlling the submissive to do the opposite of what is proper; to go against the grain. If we are embedded with ideals growing up, we are sometimes pushed to change them in our submission. Perhaps it makes her stand out, and draws attention, thus a form of humiliation.

Makes sense to me.. going against the grain. I do that myself alot. But not to the point of humilation. But to each their own.

Apple... apple.. that's it?... glad the dip in my back makes for a good bowl... LOL

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 12:43:24 PM

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As for the left handed drinking, my only thought is that perhaps it is a way of controlling the submissive to do the opposite of what is proper; to go against the grain

In a lot of third world countries using the left hand for eating and drinking is very improper because it was traditionally used for cleaning oneself in the bathroom. We ran into this in Indonesia.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 12:54:38 PM

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LMAO.... thanks proud.... not sure if I really wanted to know that... but it was informative .... (goes to go wash hands now

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 1:36:39 PM

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For those who have dietary restrictions that are not physiological (i.e. allergies/intolerances): have you ever had a top/dom/etc. try to make you eat something that is taboo for you? If so, did you do it?

(I'm thinking mostly of vegetarians and those who avoid pork or beef for religious reasons - but if you have other examples, let's hear them).

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 2:35:49 PM

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In a lot of third world countries using the left hand for eating and drinking is very improper because it was traditionally used for cleaning oneself in the bathroom. We ran into this in Indonesia.

Its the same in India...its the height of rudeness to eat with your left hand, or hand anyone anything with your left hand, for exactly the same reason.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 4:37:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: fiddlegirl

For those who have dietary restrictions that are not physiological (i.e. allergies/intolerances): have you ever had a top/dom/etc. try to make you eat something that is taboo for you? If so, did you do it?

(I'm thinking mostly of vegetarians and those who avoid pork or beef for religious reasons - but if you have other examples, let's hear them).

Just nosey, Fiddlegirl

Ok to do my best not to offend anyone... I personally have not done this. If allergic to something, or for religious reasons...... I personally feel are lines that are crossed...... and not looking out for the sub/slaves best interrest. Now this is not to say if your kink.. i'm not judging... I just think there's kink... then there's not.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 5:10:42 PM

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My Mistress loves forced feeding and food control. On the days I spend with Her (half the week), I am not allowed to eat anything other than what She feeds me. She loves to hand feed slaves while they are kneeling at Her feet. She finds particular enjoyment in making me eat things She knows I do not like - I have had to ingest pungent cheeses, something She enjoys, which can make me gag as I force myself to swallow it. She's made me eat foie gras which also is extremely vile to me. One day all I was fed was some white rice, stale rye bread and a half a piece of that was soaked in water (blech); When we eat out, She decides what I am eating; often She decides something for us to share and She doles onto my plate what I am to eat. If there is something She does not particularly like in a dish, She often will make me eat all of that (for example, I had to eat a shitload of green peppers in a Thai dish recently because She doesn't like them). She also likes giving me Her scraps: I get the ends from Her bread when we eat out rather than any full pieces.
It is a form of control I never really even thought about before but I now greatly enjoy in a perverse way because of Her, and because it is control and dominance from Her.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 5:38:51 PM

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i agree that pushing someone to compromise a spiritual belief is huge. i asked my Master about this very early in his training of me. He said he had no desire to do that, and i would be free to maintain my spiritual beliefs and rituals. i do not have food conflicts with religious beliefs, however.

However, there will be a time when i will have to eat things i would not otherwise wish to eat. And i will do so.

A former Dom in my life always threatened to make me eat zucchini as punishment because i hate it so much. Yuck.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/9/2006 7:33:12 PM

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My Mistress loves forced feeding and food control. On the days I spend with Her (half the week), I am not allowed to eat anything other than what She feeds me. She loves to hand feed slaves while they are kneeling at Her feet. She finds particular enjoyment in making me eat things She knows I do not like - I have had to ingest pungent cheeses, something She enjoys, which can make me gag as I force myself to swallow it. She's made me eat foie gras which also is extremely vile to me. One day all I was fed was some white rice, stale rye bread and a half a piece of that was soaked in water (blech); When we eat out, She decides what I am eating; often She decides something for us to share and She doles onto my plate what I am to eat. If there is something She does not particularly like in a dish, She often will make me eat all of that (for example, I had to eat a shitload of green peppers in a Thai dish recently because She doesn't like them). She also likes giving me Her scraps: I get the ends from Her bread when we eat out rather than any full pieces.
It is a form of control I never really even thought about before but I now greatly enjoy in a perverse way because of Her, and because it is control and dominance from Her.

But this is stuff you do not personally like... not allergic to.. or against religion beliefs you do not eat... or at least you didn't state this. Big difference there to me.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/10/2006 2:09:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

She has an order to always drink using her left hand even when she is not with me. If she forgets in any situation, she will be punished.

I'm curious as to what brought about this particular order, since dining etiquette demands that beverages be consumed with the right hand, requiring the putting down of the fork to do so. That's why glassware is placed where it is in a "proper" table setting.

Evanesce, thanks for taking notice. It is a total reversal of her propensity to use her right hand to hold a glass or whatever. Of course, that is the idea for her to have a reminder of her submission to me even when we are not together.

To answer your question of how she manages in dining situations. In most casual dining settings, we are not too concerned with following strict etiquette. Left handed people in the cafeteria don’t seem to be hindered moving their glasses about and that is generally accepted. In a formal dining situation, I don’t see a problem with it anymore than any left handed person endures. There are many cases of having to reach across the plate, including when the waiter refills your glass always over the left shoulder. You did make me think, though.

Edited to add a great line that comes to mind. "Etiquette is knowing how to do the wrong thing, the right way."

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/10/2006 3:52:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: fiddlegirl

For those who have dietary restrictions that are not physiological (i.e. allergies/intolerances): have you ever had a top/dom/etc. try to make you eat something that is taboo for you? If so, did you do it?

(I'm thinking mostly of vegetarians and those who avoid pork or beef for religious reasons - but if you have other examples, let's hear them).

Just nosey, Fiddlegirl

Yes I have in the past had to deal with someone trying to get me to eat red meat which is something I abhor with rare exceptions. When I was young I had to eat red meat because I was ill and needed the iron so I developed a hatred for it most of the time (oddly though now I crave it when I am not feeling well). I refuse to eat pork period but I have suffered through red meat when I was submissive and told to do so. BLECH!!!

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/11/2006 5:05:15 AM

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fiddlegirl, to answer your question, I'm a vego - by choice, not allergic or anything - my partner would not put me in the position, so I've never had that happen, but for the record, it would be a dealbreaker for me in the same way that asking me to rob a bank or whatever would be, i.e. not in my best interests, harmful etc.

To the OP - We have varying levels of ritualisation when dining - depending on the situation, formal ettiquette or service may be required; more casually, I begin eating after him, sometimes I feed him, sometimes he feeds me at his whim... it's all fun

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/17/2006 11:59:52 AM

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To the OP - We have varying levels of ritualisation when dining - depending on the situation, formal ettiquette or service may be required; more casually, I begin eating after him, sometimes I feed him, sometimes he feeds me at his whim... it's all fun

That's the point!! FUN FUN FUN! :) Thanks for sharing!!

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/17/2006 1:53:40 PM

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Greetings,

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

I remember one teased me about making me eat from a dog dish... I got up, placed some food in a dog dish... sat it before him.. and told him.. I only have 1 dog dish.. so I'll have to eat after you.. Sir. Damn glad he had a sense of humor...

But i'm not about to eat outta no damn dog dish... I got more respect for myself than that. And no matter how you try to explain or make excuses, when one makes you do that.. they have no respect for you as a person.

While this is an interesting way to go about doing it, you would have likely been surprised by my response to said action. I try to make it clear to those that are mine that I am neither afraid, nor too proud to do anything I might make them do during their service to me -- so I would have proceeded to eat out of said bowl. And then made you do it. However by calling a bluff with me, there would have been the added part that you would had a hard time protesting after you had seen me -- a Dominant -- doing said action without an inch of shame nor protest. Protesting after I had done so myself would have earned you punishment and rightly so, because it would show me that you consider yourself better than me -- and this is unacceptable in my House.

As for actual protocols used in my House, they vary, and usually do not involve any of us eating from a dog-bowl. For instance, it is not common that a slave of mine would eat from my plate, or even have the same type of foods as I do. Sometimes they get to eat at the same time, sometimes after I eat. I do not prepare a lot of my own food, nor do I prepare food for those who serve me.

Sometimes I have my pet feed me a snack or even a meal via his hand. Meals are commonly comprised of many small courses -- and include proper garnishment and presentation more often than not. For formal meals the atmosphere has to be kept in mind as well -- music, inscence, candles, the whole nine yards. Another oddness in regards to Hanian Food service is the actual process of cooking, where not only the cousine is cultural but also some of the more skilled slaves and submissives are able to cook in an entertaining and skillful way that is quite pleasing to watch.

As for what those who serve me eat, it is usually a little more simplistic than my meals -- but still pretty good from what I have been told :). For example, a slave might have a fruit as a dessert or snack instead of chocolates. Or they might have Fish, rice, and vegetables, instead of Lobster, Shrimp, potatoes Au Gratin and vegetables. Only an example -- to show a point, not in any way shape or form actual meals that are being served :D.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/17/2006 3:12:07 PM

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Greetings,

It has been a distinct pleasure to read of the various eating rituals posted and presented here, and I thank everyone for taking the time to share with me and the rest of us.

As for people's limitations and personal preferences, that is fine with me -- they all have the rights for their own beliefs and their own tastes. For me though, if one chooses to be a part of my house --knowing that I believe in and practice a complete form of Dominance -- all limits except those which are illegal, or extremly distasteful to me would be gradually elimited.

In fact, after reading the various oppinions here, I took the discussion to my Significant other, who completely submitted to me about eating out of a dog-bowl. The basics covered were that he would not object to it. Would not like it much, but knows it is not his place to question. At most he said he would be happy as long as I don't make him share said bowl with an actual dog, and if it is actual dog-food in it that he would ask if he may use a fork and salt. But under no circumstance would he disobey, or even consider not doing said action. As for self-respect -- trust me, he has plenty of self-respect, and he has more of my respect than most other people I know. As for my self-respect, I have it as well in spades -- but if I thought it was needed -- or was simply curious I would have no problem doing any of those things that I ask any of mine to do.

In my culture, neither a Dominant, nor a slave has shame in who they are, nor in what they do.

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RE: Eating Rituals - 4/17/2006 3:59:40 PM

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I have no shame in who I am either... nor shame in my likes and dislikes. Unfortunately when I speak of myself, or of others I know. I'm accused of actually binding everyone in the whole world together. So i got flamed for my post. Because I do not word it according to others wishes. It was an interresting post. And food for thought.... so to speak. Sorry because of me.. it took a slightly different turn... but at least other good folks bypassed me.. and my flamers...

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