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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:50:27 PM   
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Off the top of my head, guitars, electronics, heavy plant, aircraft and military hardware.
I'm sure somebody who actually lives in the 'States could suggest a lot more, though.



I doubt it.  We might arrange it.  But our manufacture base has fallen to Mercantilism.    We wont even have a tool and die talent soon.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:52:28 PM   
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He still hasn't caught on that globalization is a Republican issue.

One I happen to support. But a Republican issue.

Clinton was an exception--and the 1994 Republican Congress passed NAFTA. Democrats more traditionally court labor by protecting domestic jobs.

No question. I do find the spectacle of republicans and libertarians (fucking libertarians, for God's sake! The people who feel that any government intervention in the free flow of uncontrolled capitalism is an evil akin to sacrificing babies to Babylonian demons are seriously trying to argue that they're against globalisation?) suddenly starting to throw hissy fits because a democrat has spent fourteen months doing the stuff that Bush was doing for eight years a bit depressing though.
Particularly when they go on to insist that they're none partisan and would object to this stuff whoever was doing it. Of course you would, chaps. And I'm getting my cock sucked by Karen Gillan while typing this as well...


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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:54:23 PM   
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Coke. Pepsi

PEPSI   COCK!!!!

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:55:30 PM   
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MM, WTF do "we" manufacture anymore?


Actually, the U.S. is the world's largest manufacturing economy!

Nearly 12 million Americans work directly in manufacturing--about 10% of the overall workforce.

The average U.S. manufacturing worker earns $72,000 annually, including pay and benefits. The average non-manufacturing worker earns $57,000.

The United States by far remains the world's leading manufacturer by value of goods produced, at a record $1.6 trillion - nearly double the $811 billion in 1987. For every $1 of value produced in China's factories, America generates $2.50.

So what's made in the USA these days?

The United States sold more than $200 billion worth of aircraft, missiles and space-related equipment in 2007. And $80 billion worth of autos and auto parts. Deere & Co., best known for its bright green and yellow tractors, sold $16.5 billion worth of farming equipment last year, much of it to the rest of the world. Then there are energy products like gas turbines for power plants made by General Electric, computer chips from Intel and fighter jets from Lockheed Martin. Household names like GE, General Motors, IBM, Boeing and Hewlett-Packard are among the largest manufacturers by revenue.

High-end products
Several trends have emerged over the decades:

-- America makes things that other countries can't. Today, "Made in USA" is more likely to be stamped on heavy equipment or the circuits that go inside other products than the TVs, toys, clothes and other items found on store shelves.

-- U.S. companies have shifted toward high-end manufacturing as the production of low-value goods moves overseas. This has resulted in lower prices for shoppers and higher profits for companies.

-- When demand slumps, all types of manufacturing jobs are lost. Some higher-end jobs - but not all - return with good times. Workers who make goods more cheaply produced overseas suffer.

Now that this recession has run its course, surviving manufacturers will emerge more efficient and profitable, economists say. More valuable products will be made using fewer people. Products will be made where labor and other costs are cheaper. And manufacturers will focus on the most lucrative products.

As the world's single largest manufacturer (accounting for more than 20% of the world's total manufacturing output), the U.S. makes -- among many other things -- aircraft (Lockheed Martin, Boeing), missiles, space-related equipment, autos and auto parts (Ford, GM), farming equipment (John Deere), gas turbines for power plants (GE), and computer chips (HP, Intel).

The United States is the world's largest manufacturer, with a 2007 industrial output of $2.69 trillion.

Main industries include petroleum, steel, motor vehicles, aerospace, telecommunications, chemicals, electronics, food processing, consumer goods, lumber, and mining.

[Note--all of the above is quoted from the links provided. I'm not going back to put quotation marks around every paragraph.]


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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:59:17 PM   
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Then why are my countrymen out of work?

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 12:59:36 PM   
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Off the top of my head, guitars, electronics, heavy plant, aircraft and military hardware.
I'm sure somebody who actually lives in the 'States could suggest a lot more, though.



I doubt it.  We might arrange it.  But our manufacture base has fallen to Mercantilism.    We wont even have a tool and die talent soon.


Wrong. A lot of components are still manufactured in the 'States, and if you're willing to pay twice as much as you would for a Mexican strat or tele for a prestige model, so are guitars. i think even the cheap Gibsons and Martins* are still maufactured in America, btw: they were making a big deal of that at one point.

*(Comparatively, of course. There aren't really any Martins you can buy for less than an arm and a leg, but they're cheap in the sense that a Pelikan 205 is cheap next to one of the full size models with a transparent celluloid barrel so that you can see how much ink is in there with the cap on.)

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:03:16 PM   
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BULL SHIT.

We are loosing are tool and die capacity...and that my friend is NO good.   I will find the link- tho - you wont like the larouch site.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:03:17 PM   
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Then why are my countrymen out of work?

Because most of the available vacancies are for skilled labour rather than somebody with no skills and an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, I'd imagine.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:04:31 PM   
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BULL SHIT.

We are loosing are tool and die capacity...and that my friend is NO good.   I will find the link- tho - you wont like the larouch site.


So you can demonstrate that Fender are manufacturing nothing domestically, then?

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:04:49 PM   
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Then why are my countrymen out of work?

Because most of the available vacancies are for skilled labour rather than somebody with no skills and an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, I'd imagine.


So- God Bless America then.   Or should I mean Wrights comment.

You are WRONG.  America still has plenty of hard working people.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:05:14 PM   
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Then why are my countrymen out of work?


1) Because productivity has also increased
2) Because people talk about jobs lost more than they do jobs created
3) Because people talk about the importance of letting industry thrive while ignoring that increased productivity is part of that.
4) Because 2007 through the first half of 2009 was a recession. As inventories are depleted, rehiring will happen, though slowly, as confidence in renewed and sustained demand builds.

Incidentally, the job slide in manufacturing started in 2000--one in six manufacturing jobs lost by 2008.




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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:06:52 PM   
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Then why are my countrymen out of work?

Because most of the available vacancies are for skilled labour rather than somebody with no skills and an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, I'd imagine.


So- God Bless America then.   Or should I mean Wrights comment.

You are WRONG.  America still has plenty of hard working people.


Yes, but most of them are illegal immigrants doing jobs that you people wouldn't dirty your hands with for money you wouldn't even dream of accepting.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:10:43 PM   
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He still hasn't caught on that globalization is a Republican issue.

One I happen to support. But a Republican issue.

Clinton was an exception--and the 1994 Republican Congress passed NAFTA. Democrats more traditionally court labor by protecting domestic jobs.

No question. I do find the spectacle of republicans and libertarians (fucking libertarians, for God's sake! The people who feel that any government intervention in the free flow of uncontrolled capitalism is an evil akin to sacrificing babies to Babylonian demons are seriously trying to argue that they're against globalisation?) suddenly starting to throw hissy fits because a democrat has spent fourteen months doing the stuff that Bush was doing for eight years a bit depressing though.
Particularly when they go on to insist that they're none partisan and would object to this stuff whoever was doing it. Of course you would, chaps. And I'm getting my cock sucked by Karen Gillan while typing this as well...


So many contradictions when people support something they don't truly understand. These conservatives who are against NAFTA and screaming for protectionist trade policies while in the same breath blaming Obama for our stalled economy don't realize that it was the Hawley-Smoot trade tariffs that created the protectionism that contributed considerably to the Great Depression. In the fall of 2008 when we were standing at the precipice of another great depression, so many were rallying to repeal NAFTA and other FTA's without understanding the consequence of that action. It was then I was so greatful that we had a Harvard educated President who actually studied history and economics at the helm.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:11:54 PM   
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The world thinks the USA is a fading power.

So what- we will sue them and we will bomb them.

All in the name of the East India Corporation.

Whats more is we supposedly have the best and the brightest here.

Where are they?

Because we have an economic collapse, this is an 80 year cycle- not a 4 year cycle.

Everything as you know it will change WRITE that down.  I PROMISE- this is no recession.

I think I said too much on this thread.

HOARD GOLD- get preps get god.

We will be allright. We really could use your help, but if not- that is ok too.   Just know that you are told this is a COLLAPSE.    YOU have the power to fix it and thus far- no one in America HAS fixed it  (GOD help us)

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:14:27 PM   
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I PROMISE- this is no recession.


We've been out of recession for nine months now--and with rather robust 4th quarter growth of 5.6%.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:22:57 PM   
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The world thinks the USA is a fading power.

So what- we will sue them and we will bomb them.

All in the name of the East India Corporation.

Whats more is we supposedly have the best and the brightest here.

Where are they?

Because we have an economic collapse, this is an 80 year cycle- not a 4 year cycle.

Everything as you know it will change WRITE that down.  I PROMISE- this is no recession.

I think I said too much on this thread.

HOARD GOLD- get preps get god.

We will be allright. We really could use your help, but if not- that is ok too.   Just know that you are told this is a COLLAPSE.    YOU have the power to fix it and thus far- no one in America HAS fixed it  (GOD help us)


Perhaps, rather than free associating, you could provide some evidence that the UK's "independent nuclear deterrent" Trident is not basically being run by an American military contractor who are manufacturing all of the components, writing all of the software, and providing the staff for the drydock that are keeping the three submarines involved afloat? The only non American labour involved in the whole thing since it was set was whichever poor RN matelot spent a while painting up the missiles for the test firings with Navy logos.
But don't let the facts stand in the way of parroting whatever shite you've been reading on a conspiracy theory website run by people who make Nazi Fred Cowan look like a liberal this week, eh?

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:24:40 PM   
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I PROMISE- this is no recession.


We've been out of recession for nine months now--and with rather robust 4th quarter growth of 5.6%.


Which brings us full circle in our dialog.   LOL.   DEPRESSION.  On Main St..  Wall St is doing well.  But Main street DEPRESSION will last 15-20 years.

The govt is BROKE.  67 trillion can never be repaid.

Yet- it will be a chance to clean house.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:25:58 PM   
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The world thinks the USA is a fading power.

So what- we will sue them and we will bomb them.

All in the name of the East India Corporation.

Whats more is we supposedly have the best and the brightest here.

Where are they?

Because we have an economic collapse, this is an 80 year cycle- not a 4 year cycle.

Everything as you know it will change WRITE that down.  I PROMISE- this is no recession.

I think I said too much on this thread.

HOARD GOLD- get preps get god.

We will be allright. We really could use your help, but if not- that is ok too.   Just know that you are told this is a COLLAPSE.    YOU have the power to fix it and thus far- no one in America HAS fixed it  (GOD help us)


Perhaps, rather than free associating, you could provide some evidence that the UK's "independent nuclear deterrent" Trident is not basically being run by an American military contractor who are manufacturing all of the components, writing all of the software, and providing the staff for the drydock that are keeping the three submarines involved afloat? The only non American labour involved in the whole thing since it was set was whichever poor RN matelot spent a while painting up the missiles for the test firings with Navy logos.
But don't let the facts stand in the way of parroting whatever shite you've been reading on a conspiracy theory website run by people who make Nazi Fred Cowan look like a liberal this week, eh?


Dude- what items and supplied in your house is made in America? Stuff we buy and use.  People. People on this board.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:30:03 PM   
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So economic growth brings us to depression.

Very Alice in Wonderland, your world.

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RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush ... - 4/11/2010 1:33:41 PM   
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The world has far too many speculators, and not nearly enough machine tool operators. We need producers, not parasites, if we are to reverse the collapse into a new Dark Age./snip

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