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Icarys -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 8:46:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirAldric

I have a clear personal vision of what a Master is all about. That vision is crystallized in the way I live, think and act as Master. I'm curious to see other personal visions from other Masters. What is your philosophy as Master? By what own rules do you live and act? Or do you to prefer to improvise while going along?

Let me make a start here myself with my personal vision. You don't have to agree (or disagree); I'm more interested in your personal vision.
1. A Master should be humble enough to realize that he should be worthy of having a slave.
2. A Master should realize that within a relation the slave is of equal importance as he is.
3. A Master should realize that it will be his responsibility to keep the M/s relation in balance.
4. A Master should realize that he will be responsible of the physical and mental well-being of his slave.
5. A Master should realize that he MUST guide, control, teach his slave.
6. A Master should realize that he must earn the respect of his slave
7. A Master should realize that if he can not successfully control his own life, that chances of controlling his slave's live are close to zero.
8. A Master should never abuse his slave; abusing that what is under your personal protection degrades you from 'Master' to Loser in my eyes.

Ok.. I could go on a long time, but that is not really the issue. The above gives already a clear idea where I stand, what my personal M/s philosophy is.

As said I'm curious to see if other Masters approach the same from an different angle.

SA


I mean no ill will when I say this..

If some of these things that are being said are indeed factual..You might want to pay attention to rule number 1 and maybe dig a little deeper?

Most of those are decent rules to live by but be honest with yourself..are you really living them truthfully and to the extent that they were said and seemed to be meant?




crazyml -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:00:43 AM)

Hello there Sir Aldric,

I ought to insert an important caveat here - I don't identify as a "Master", I don't expect my sub partners to see me in that way. Personally speaking (and with no hint of judgement on others) I find the term faintly silly, just as I find the prefix "Sir" a little, lets say - OTT.

I'd also say that I'm instinctively hostile to lists of attributes that define a master or dominant, or that purport to list the qualities a master ought to have, so I'm kinda glad you're not saying your list is "the list", but that you're interested in other people's thoughts!

That said, as a dominant man, I can see a lot to agree with in your list.. Although my sense is that most of the key prinicples/ideas you outline are applicable to any kind of relationship...

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ORIGINAL: SirAldric

I have a clear personal vision of what a Master is all about. That vision is crystallized in the way I live, think and act as Master. I'm curious to see other personal visions from other Masters. What is your philosophy as Master? By what own rules do you live and act? Or do you to prefer to improvise while going along?

1. A Master should be humble enough to realize that he should be worthy of having a slave.


This could read..

You should be humble enough to realise that you should be worthy of having a partner.

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2. A Master should realize that within a relation the slave is of equal importance as he is.



Some "uberdoms" may disagree with this, but I'm with you. But again it could read..

You should realise that within a relationship both partners' needs and wants are of equal importance.


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3. A Master should realize that it will be his responsibility to keep the M/s relation in balance.


I don't enirely agree with this - I think both parties to a relationship, even a D/s relationship share responsibility for keeping things in balance, including the D/s dynamic.

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4. A Master should realize that he will be responsible of the physical and mental well-being of his slave.


Again, not 100% in agreement - and most of my sub partners would strongly disagree - they're more than capable of looking after their physical and mental well-being!

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5. A Master should realize that he MUST guide, control, teach his slave.


I've had some relationships within which I felt I had this responsibility, but others where there wasn't any need...

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6. A Master should realize that he must earn the respect of his slave

Totally agree - but again, this applies in any relationship don't you think?
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7. A Master should realize that if he can not successfully control his own life, that chances of controlling his slave's live are close to zero.
8. A Master should never abuse his slave; abusing that what is under your personal protection degrades you from 'Master' to Loser in my eyes.


I agree with the sense of what you're saying - although, I wouldn't limit the responsibility to those under "your personal protection" - It's nasty and weak to abuse anyone whether they're under your protection or not, surely?

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Ok.. I could go on a long time, but that is not really the issue. The above gives already a clear idea where I stand, what my personal M/s philosophy is.

As said I'm curious to see if other Masters approach the same from an different angle.

SA



So I don't think I'm too far from you in terms of approach/philosophy... But since you asked, here's my single sentence..

"For me a successful relationship is built on a basis of trust and respect, and the goal of both parties is to ensure that the other's needs are fulfilled".




domiguy -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:15:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Domiguy: You have to admit that vaguely is kind of blurry...Kind of yettiesque in appearance...


Not to those of us who have seen pictures of the gorgeous girl.

- LA



Why is she so damn stingy with the pics....I'm a nice guy, right?

Come on vaguely, cough those fuckers up.




Icarys -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:18:34 AM)

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I had someone say to me that in some cases a man calling himself a Dominant or Master can have, in real life, no power whatsoever and chooses this lifestyle and position out of a desire to feel powerful and in control in some aspect of his life.
Someone like this wouldn´t last 10 minutes with me in vanilla land never mind a BDSM relationship. I think I have a pretty clearly defined idea of what I look for.

I agree with this.

I suppose the opposite could be true for submissives as well.




jbcurious -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:26:48 AM)

How so?  Our society praises power, dominance, control... it´s something most people desire to a degree.  I can´t imagine it´s the same for being submissive.




Icarys -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:32:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

How so?  Our society praises power, dominance, control... it´s something most people desire to a degree.  I can´t imagine it´s the same for being submissive.

It was sarcasm.




KnightofMists -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:32:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

How so?  Our society praises power, dominance, control... it´s something most people desire to a degree.  I can´t imagine it´s the same for being submissive.


really??? I suppose then you don't have much of an imagination then.




Icarys -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 9:40:17 AM)

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1. A Master should be humble enough to realize that he should be worthy of having a slave.


As a side note: I typed in humble as a search word for slaves..Pretty much all Males lol. All the females seem to be from "nigeria" so does that mean there are no humble female slaves left?[:D]

Dam'it man!!




VaguelyCurious -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 10:09:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

All the females seem to be from "nigeria" so does that mean there are no humble female slaves left?[:D]
Or maybe the humble female slaves are just capable of using vocabulary that doesn't make them sound completely Victorian :P

OP: I'm not a Master (I have neither the necessary parts nor the inclination to use the dreaded female equivalent). But my philosophy is:

1) Aim for mutual happiness and fulfillment. It seems presumptuous to be any more detailed than that if you're talking in the generic sense (which, let's face it, you are)-the specifics of how this is achieved are going to vary from partner to partner.
2) Attempt not to fuck 1) up.
3) If you fuck up 2), man up and do whatever you need to do to reinstate 1).

Domi: You show me yours and I'll show you mine. A yeti for an avatar is better than a dead rapper.




jbcurious -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 10:21:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


really??? I suppose then you don't have much of an imagination then.


I love these types of comments... so much more helpful then an actual answer.  [:)]




Icarys -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 11:03:06 AM)

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Or maybe the humble female slaves are just capable of using vocabulary that doesn't make them sound completely Victorian :P


I know..cause that's just so past century.[:D]




Frankseas -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 11:45:46 AM)

To the OP you left out two of them! After all didnt Master Moses come down from the Mountain with Ten Laws?![;)]




sunshinemiss -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 3:45:47 PM)

Fast reply on this little side discussion.

How humble is it to say "Look at me! Look at me! I'm ever so humble!"?

It always makes me giggle when people tell who and what they are. If it isn't obvious, it's often not true.

Best,
sunshine




LadyAngelika -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 4:01:46 PM)

So you aren't really a sunshine? :-(

- LA




jbcurious -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 4:59:06 PM)

When I first came on this site I started out by asking "Am I looking for a BDSM relationship?" I have a very good idea of who I am and what I'm looking for...and supplied that information. The responses were all very positive, I was assured that what I was looking for was within the realm of a BDSM relationship, that there were many different dynamics and choices and that the most important thing was to find someone who had similar ideas and wanted the same things out of a relationship...that there are no hard and fast rules.

Yet thread after thread...I see new people that aren't "Dom" enough or "subbie" enough or knowledgable enough... get shredded, ridiculed or ignored. Some have just faded away not to be heard from again and some have tried to take it in good humour and some have tried to fight back.

Many of you have been involved with this lifestyle for years, have read sll the books, know the right attitudes and answers. Some of us are trying to find those answers, trying to find our own possibilites. Many respond to posts in a detached analytical manner based on knowledge... Some of us post with personal thoughts, feeling and experiences bexause it's all we have.

Many have access to clubs, organizations, friends, munches ect as a way to meet people who are into the lifestyle, as a way to meet potential partners. Some have only CM as a means to learn and meet others.

I'm not asking anyone to stop being who they are, or to stop having a laugh and enjoying the sarcastic humor... I am asking that you be a little more tolerant to those of us still trying to find our way.




RedMagic1 -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 5:07:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious
Many have access to clubs, organizations, friends, munches ect as a way to meet people who are into the lifestyle, as a way to meet potential partners. Some have only CM as a means to learn and meet others.

I'm not asking anyone to stop being who they are, or to stop having a laugh and enjoying the sarcastic humor... I am asking that you be a little more tolerant to those of us still trying to find our way.

Many of us believe a commitment to a spouse is more important than getting our online freak on.  Did you miss the part about SirAldric being married, and his wife being in the dark?  My identity as a sexual whackjob does not require me to tolerate deceit in others.




jbcurious -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 5:24:16 PM)

I respond to the post topic or additional posts in the thread...I don't run a profile check on the person... Instead of discussing a topic it became personal... I understand this on a thread like "a fake Domme" where the OP is making it personal, but not when it's a topic.

This was probably not the ideal place to say this...or I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself...but being told to STFU in the same thread the OP was shredded... it just kinda spilled out.




RedMagic1 -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 5:32:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious
This was probably not the ideal place to say this...or I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself...but being told to STFU in the same thread the OP was shredded... it just kinda spilled out.

I read that domiguy post as an attempt to send-up domineering "doms."  If you found it unfunny, best perhaps to say so directly to him.

In the meantime, I will be your cyber white knight, and ridicule him because he spells "yetti" the way Jeff would, and he doesn't know the difference between Nepal (home of the yeti) and the Pacific Northwest (home of the Bigfoot captured in the film he has posted screencaps from).

D.M. Guy: internet jokester and crappy cryptozoologist.


---

(P.S. Did that get you a little hotttttt?  Tu me puedes decir con toda confianza.)




leadership527 -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 5:37:27 PM)

For the record JB.. the OP wasn't shredded because he was new. He was shredded because he was preachy. Even worse, he was preachy with a list of pseudo-goodness rules for being a good dominant. Honestly, I also didn't dig into his profile nor do I care much that he may or may not be cheating on his wife. I don't have enough knowledge of his situation to comment on that.

But honestly, Knights post said it so well. ANYONE can dredge up a list of goodness and purity. Putting it into action on the other hand is a whole different story.




LadyPact -> RE: What is your vision & philosophy as Master? (4/11/2010 5:42:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

When I first came on this site I started out by asking "Am I looking for a BDSM relationship?" I have a very good idea of who I am and what I'm looking for...and supplied that information. The responses were all very positive, I was assured that what I was looking for was within the realm of a BDSM relationship, that there were many different dynamics and choices and that the most important thing was to find someone who had similar ideas and wanted the same things out of a relationship...that there are no hard and fast rules.

That is true.  There is no one true way.  However, there is My way which does work for Me.  Now, if I thought something was a better option, I'd either adopt it or change it.  I can tell you that there are folks who have a successful BDSM dynamic or different type of relationship that works for them, but it wouldn't work for Me.
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Yet thread after thread...I see new people that aren't "Dom" enough or "subbie" enough or knowledgable enough... get shredded, ridiculed or ignored. Some have just faded away not to be heard from again and some have tried to take it in good humour and some have tried to fight back.

Are there people out there who I wouldn't feel are submissive enough for Me in particular?  Yes, I do.  That's called incompatibility.  Are there people out there who aren't Dom enough?  Yes, and I wouldn't put them in control of My cat.  Not every Dominant is a good Dominant.  That's just the truth of the matter.

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Many of you have been involved with this lifestyle for years, have read sll the books, know the right attitudes and answers. Some of us are trying to find those answers, trying to find our own possibilites. Many respond to posts in a detached analytical manner based on knowledge... Some of us post with personal thoughts, feeling and experiences bexause it's all we have.

No, it's all you're willing or able to do at the moment.

Every single one of the books on My shelf about BDSM is still in print.  Each can be ordered by simply going to Amazon.com. (Though I will say that is not the method that I used in acquiring Mine.)

When folks drop in on this site and go on about how they want to be in control and responsible for another human being, but can't be bothered to do anymore research about authority dynamics or topping skills than what they can access if they don't have to leave their computer screen, priorities and effort are lacking.

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Many have access to clubs, organizations, friends, munches ect as a way to meet people who are into the lifestyle, as a way to meet potential partners. Some have only CM as a means to learn and meet others.

Now, I know this isn't your case due to your location.  I don't find that to be true in most cases.  When looking at the location most folks give, they are within hours of being able to get to those clubs and munches.  It really boils down to they want to do it so bad, but again, lack effort.  To Me, that's a half assed approach.  See, I've made the drive from Colorado Springs to Denver to go to My first major event.  I've gone from Augusta to Atlanta so that I could go to the public club.  Even now, I drive two hours one way to go to the munch I attend in Bakersfield, three hours to San Jose if I want to go to a public club, and four hours so that I can experience something like the Folsom Street fair.  I'm very much a 'if I want something bad enough, I'll go out and get it' type.

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I'm not asking anyone to stop being who they are, or to stop having a laugh and enjoying the sarcastic humor... I am asking that you be a little more tolerant to those of us still trying to find our way.

I'm not always tolerant and I'll be the first to admit that.  At the same time, I'm much more willing to go the distance for someone who is also willing to help themselves.  I've got a lot more patience for someone who may have extenuating circumstances that doesn't allow for them to do everything in their power to become more educated on BDSM or those things related.  When I see it as just someone who lives in a major city (meaning they have access to clubs, munches, events, and even bookstores) but they aren't investing themselves in their own education, I'm not going to put more into it than they are.




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