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FirmhandKY -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:43:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Ah, apologies, Ron. I hadn't actually followed his link. Perhaps the article is on that website: I don't know. I looked a bit and couldn't find it. Firm nope, whole nother tinfoiler rant that, here's the one though: http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978160055 No real long-lasting problem, Firm ... as you know, I am just as passionate about my partisanship as you are about yours. Sometimes we all vituperate first and think later. We are still friendly combatants. Cordially, Ron Got it. Thanks Ron. Yes, friendly adversaries. Cordially, Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:43:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: LashVicious Hmm, and Bush and his acolytes did such a GREAT job. They had their turn. It seems like sour grapes for the "conservatives"(although I can't see WHAT they're "conserving"...) who thought they were going to rule the American Empire in perpetuity. Get over it. Oh well, I guess expecting this thread to be deviod of anti-Bush rhetoric to obfuscate Obama's aquisence to Russia's demands was just too much to expect. That's cute RacerJim,especialy since the specific goal of this whole thread(from the point of view of the OP...and acolytes like yourself who have shown up) is to voice anti-Obama rhetoric dressed up as concern for the Republics security [:D][:D][:D][:D].

pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:44:20 AM)
Food fight.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:46:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: countrychick if I'm not mistaken the attack on the Afghan people was timed quite well to be just past the lifespan of the (I believe) anti-aircraft or some sort of missile that basically turned the tide for the Afghan's to push the Russians out :) Thanks for the reminder mnottertail :D Stingers. Another example of poor decision-making on the Taliban's part. Firm

brainiacsub -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:51:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail and by the way, once again this 'supposed' original words from the op is a plagarism (as nearly 99% of his crap is, notwithstanding his further prevarication regarding same...) from a chris w of abbington mass, a 24 year old with about a 7 year old political intelligence. Ron The OP gave a link to the original article. I don't see where he claimed the words were originally his. If you want to attack his logic and reasoning, go ahead. Attacking him for specious reasons doesn't make a lot of sense. It reflects on you, not him. Firm Ya know, Firm, the larger idea here is that none of the "usual suspects" that post here ever have an original thought. Everything they pontificate is "plagarized" from something they've read or heard in the right-wing media. It's as if they don't or can't (I'm not sure which) think critically when it comes to Obama.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 10:58:38 AM)
Coming from the big blue land shark.....cool,and thanks.

brainiacsub -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:07:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: countrychick So you mean to say that the terrorists who did the whole 9-11 thing were acting under the direct orders of the Afghan government? Not in their own self interests and hey lets poke the sleeping giant? The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland. We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support. They refused. Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US. Firm Firm, this is not entirely correct. Mullah Omar was no fan or supporter of bin Laden. The Taliban had no idea what al Qaeda was up to prior to 9/11/. When the US gave Omar an ultimatum to turn over bin Laden or face attack by the US, there was nothing he could do. He dug his heels in to protect his own position and standing in Afghanistan, not bin Ladens. There is plenty of information out there about the history of these two groups for someone who is interested.

countrychick -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:09:05 AM)
Or perhaps these Stingers throw another log on the fire for those who think the invasion really wasn't about the terrorists? ;) Maybe more about natural resources as described US Geological Survey produced in cooperation with the Afghanistan Ministry of Mines? http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2006/1095/pdf/of-2006-1095.pdf Not just a little bit fishy when combined with American demands for petroleum products?

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:11:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: countrychick So you mean to say that the terrorists who did the whole 9-11 thing were acting under the direct orders of the Afghan government? Not in their own self interests and hey lets poke the sleeping giant? The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland. We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support. They refused. Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US. Firm Firm, this is not entirely correct. Mullah Omar was no fan or supporter of bin Laden. The Taliban had no idea what al Qaeda was up to prior to 9/11/. When the US gave Omar an ultimatum to turn over bin Laden or face attack by the US, there was nothing he could do. He dug his heels in to protect his own position and standing in Afghanistan, not bin Ladens. There is plenty of information out there about the history of these two groups for someone who is interested. All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice . And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result was inevitable given American resolve. Bad...real bad choice.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:14:40 AM)
What we really should cut is the redundant Department of Homeland Security---all of it. Pure Political Theater at its boldest, at a cost of billions.

pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:15:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery What we really should cut is the redundant Department of Homeland Security---all of it. Pure Political Theater at its boldest, at a cost of billions. Agreed!

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:19:44 AM)
quote: Obama Weakens American National Defense Why, then, is he spending MORE on it? Budget for 2010 "For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on 'overseas contingency operations' brings the sum to $663.8 billion." Doesn't appear weaker at all, does it!

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:20:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice . And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve. Bad...real bad choice. I don't know, if the Reverend Sun Myung Moon came to my town and said that the new way of doing business is gonna be such and such, and if you don't gobble the tube to our satisfaction, we are going to make life uncomfortable for you....... Meh, they have been playing stick and ball with one anothers heads since before we were anyone, and will be doing so long after we are no longer anyone. One thing a tribal leader cannot lose is face, life optional, he has sons and they have sons, and they will have sons and they will have........and thinks in those terms, something we never do. That's their system of governance.

pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:21:03 AM)
That should read "Obusha" not "Obama"

brainiacsub -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:25:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u [...] All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice . And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve. Bad...real bad choice. Mike, I am no fan of the Taliban. All I am saying is that when you look back at history from Omar's perspective, he didn't really have alot of choices. He was mortified when he found out about 9/11 and that bin Laden was behind it. He tried to expel bin Laden from the country but bin Laden refused to leave or give himself up. Omar's rag tag group of armed students that made up the Taliban existed to counter the corruption and lawlessness that was rampant post Soviet defeat. Why, from his perspective, should he allow a US invasion to find/defeat bin Laden when he was still cleaning up the mess from the post Soviet invasion? I am not pro Taliban, but I do believe that history is often about perspective as opposed to right or wrong.

countrychick -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:25:52 AM)
Additionally.. what people forget sometimes.. is that people don't like being told what to do. Whether its a child being told to eat the broccoli or a leader being told to hand over a citizen of his country. Also, in parts of the world not included in the 50 US states, a lot of people tend to have negative views on the USA and how they like to poke their head into other people's business.. Just saying.. a little movie called Team America: WorldPolice (thanks to mnottertail for the correction) illustrates what I'm getting at on this.. Side note: That movie was absolutely hilarious for me, my boyfriend at the time thought it was awful and he picked it.. he didn't get political humour...

pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:29:17 AM)
Chick- we aint got nothing but uprighteous people here. And to think it is MONDAY.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:34:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: countrychick Additionally.. what people forget sometimes.. is that people don't like being told what to do. Whether its a child being told to eat the broccoli or a leader being told to hand over a citizen of his country. Also, in parts of the world not included in the 50 US states, a lot of people tend to have negative views on the USA and how they like to poke their head into other people's business.. Just saying.. a little movie called American Police illustrates what I'm getting at on this.. Side note: That movie was absolutely hilarious for me, my boyfriend at the time thought it was awful and he picked it.. he didn't get political humour... quote: American Police Team America: World Police did you mean this one, otherwise could I get a link, I could watch something like that? Have you seen Wag the Dog?

brainiacsub -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:34:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery What we really should cut is the redundant Department of Homeland Security---all of it. Pure Political Theater at its boldest, at a cost of billions. Couldn't agree more.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 11:37:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Which I will agree with in a very limited sense, insasmuch as I have ranted and spewed long and unheededly about China test blowing a satellite out of the sky with a conventional everyday dime-store rocket. Ron Ya gotta admit it was way way kewel

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