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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:04:50 PM

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Got steel, usually not always. That is such an overdone question. Many(most) athiests claim to believe there is no god, of any sort, based on science. That Science prooves there is no God. Dawkins pretty much falls into that catagory. Yet science can not proove there is no God. If you think it can, please lay out the proof. It is a personal belief, yet they pretend it is based on logic, and hence a fact. Not al Athiests. But almost all of the loud ones.

I have been an atheist for many years, belong to local and national organizations, am very active in atheist causes, am well-read of prominant atheist authors, and have read all of Dawkins books, and you are simply just mistaken.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:12:23 PM

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Ok I am incorrect. So his athiesm is not related to Science.

What does he base it on?

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:16:41 PM

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He is a scientist, and a very accomplished one, but he does not take the position that "science can prove that there is no God" like you stated. Have you ever read anything he's written?

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:21:15 PM

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I always wonder why people like you reply to the question, but duck it.

What does he base his athiesm on? If not science?

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:32:09 PM

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I did answer your question, but let me clarify....

As a scientist, he demonstrates the use of scientific methods to show the irrationality of belief in God as well its illogical improbability. That's not the same thing as saying "science proves there is no God."

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:32:11 PM

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I always wonder why people like you reply to the question, but duck it.

What does he base his athiesm on? If not science?

"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world."

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 3:58:53 PM

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Polite Sub, religion is not the same as a belief in a God

Brainiac, Oh so Dawkins is not an Athiest. I guess I was wrong.

How does the scientific method show the improbability of there being a god? If he is calculating probability via science there must be a hard number there, and verifyable data, right?

He thinks that it is probable that for no reason things were set into motion and given laws for no reason, by themselves. okkie dokie.....

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 4:04:54 PM

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If you would like to start a thread on this topic, I'd be happy to engage you, although it's been done ad nauseum on this site. I do not have the time or inclination in one post to explain to you how scientific methods work in the proof or disproof of anything, including God. Entire books have been written on the subject. You should try reading one. Dawkins wrote a couple of good ones. But, it's not the topic for this thread.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 4:43:43 PM

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Polite Sub, religion is not the same as a belief in a God

Is this too hard for you to grasp. Religion is indeed a belief in God, or buddah ect ect.

The quote was Dawkins, you asked for an explaination of his views, so I used one of his own quotes.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 4:48:02 PM

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brainy. you can't win with dawg.

He is not willing to engage or look for himself.

Religion IS faith, the belief in God is faith. You can't argue faith. The faithful will simply point out that you... lack faith.

It's a suckers bet

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 4:50:03 PM

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I guess its over your head Politesub.

but you are wrong. Religion is a very narrow defined belief in the nature of God. after watching you declare people are guilty (and deserve to die with no trial) because Obama declares so, there is certainly little point in arguing with you.

I do see why you follow Dawkins...

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 4:56:02 PM

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people are guilty (and deserve to die with no trial) because Obama declares so,

When did Obama declare that people deserve to die with no trial?

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:02:46 PM

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ahh and my favorite troll comes screaming in. I guess the drugs ruin your memory thompson.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:04:23 PM

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:08:09 PM

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I guess its over your head Politesub.

but you are wrong. Religion is a very narrow defined belief in the nature of God. after watching you declare people are guilty (and deserve to die with no trial) because Obama declares so, there is certainly little point in arguing with you.

I do see why you follow Dawkins...

Firstly I dont follow Dawkins, I just quoted him, since you asked about his views.

Secondly, I am not fussed if you dont like my views on how to deal with active terrorists. I have always said those in captivity deserve due process.

Thirdly, you never argue with me, just keep spouting the same old drivel. Here we have you jumping from a debate on religion to talking about terrorists, to somehow make your point look superior.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:11:03 PM

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ahh and my favorite troll comes screaming in. I guess the drugs ruin your memory thompson.

It was a simple question.
Certainly you are capable of answering simple questions?

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:18:27 PM

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The world it seems, and people on this forum are continuously blatting on about what ratzinger did, how he covered up sex crimes. Now we have Dawkins here, a known atheist, who is extreme to some, but he in whatever capacity has taken it upon himself to seek the arrest of ratzinger when he visits Britain. If we are to believe all of what is presented to us via the news, then I commend Dawkins for having the power of his convictions to do something about the wrongs he understands have been committed. Anyone who says Dawkins is misguided in his actions has to examine their own thoughts on the reported catholic church child abuse claims, if you believe where there is smoke there is fire, then you have to understand Dawkins is at least making an attempt to seek justice or at least an explanation gained in a court of law.

Anyone who tries in the face of adversity should be commended for their actions, and in the case of Dawkins, whether he is trying to self promote or whatever, it means nothing to myself, his writings do not interest me, but I personally commend him for trying where others will not even think to try.

But, I suspect,if ratzinger comes to Britain despite the pending court actions, as soon as Dawkins tries to approach or arrest the pope, he will be shot in the so called name of papal security and later apologised for.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:19:14 PM

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Thompson, the person I was responding to knew exactly what I meant. It is too bad you are so stupid from the long term drug use, you can't follow the conversations.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:21:28 PM

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Polite sub, So Dawkins thinks religion is the same as believing in a god of any sort.

You do realise that they are not the same. Don't you? It

And people pretend he is a critical thinker, and one of the leading minds of our times, blah blah.

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RE: Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI - 4/14/2010 5:38:47 PM

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Thompson, the person I was responding to knew exactly what I meant.

I did not and that is why I asked.

It is too bad you are so stupid

As stupid as you claim I am you have never prevailed against me in a discussion on these boards.
I have shown you to be mistaken on several occasions and an outright liar on others.
Your hostility speaks volumns about the pent up frustrations within you...Seek help they have meds that can help you.

from the long term drug use, you can't follow the conversations.

I looked through all three pages of this conversation and it is not there.
Now it is pretty obvious that I am a good bit wiser than you but still I am not a mind reader.
Now if you think answering the question might give me an opening to publicly spank your ass pink again...
then by all means continue to posture and toss out invective.