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countrychick -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/16/2010 9:54:10 PM)

With regards to RFID tagging within drugs, why not use a molecular tag instead of RFID technology? I have a friend working on molecular tagging (oligosaccharides and oligonucleotide tags) and consumer acceptance while other researchers work on ensuring the viability of the tags through various processing techniques. Specifically the research can be found here:

http://www.afmnet.ca/project/summary.html?pid=97

This way the product itself is able to be authenticated and traced through the food chain irregardless of packaging and such... I don't much about the RFID tagging in drugs but I do know its a requirement for certain live animals up here to be able to trace the farm they're from up to the point of slaughter (thanks BSE)




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/16/2010 10:33:33 PM)

Animal tracing is true, and its become popular with pets, but the RFID tags in them are not a gsp system. If the animal gets taken into a vets office, they can access the implanted tag and find the owner. If the animal never makes it to the vet, the poor thing wont be returned. This was the problem when it was suggested that children be implanted. What kidnapper is going to take a child to the hospital?

The situation is that pahunk, along with a few others, believe RFIDs are a requirement according to the new health care law.




Dubbelganger -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/16/2010 11:37:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Prove it.


Tazz, on the road to discovery- one must make some of the effort. 


No. If somebody claims the moon is made of green cheese, it's up to the claimant to back it up.




thishereboi -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 6:26:40 AM)

That is great news and like you said about time. [:)]

Thanks for posting this.




thishereboi -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 6:32:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Answer the question about RFIDs, pahunk


What does this have to do with rights for gay partners?




pahunkboy -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 6:54:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: countrychick

With regards to RFID tagging within drugs, why not use a molecular tag instead of RFID technology? I have a friend working on molecular tagging (oligosaccharides and oligonucleotide tags) and consumer acceptance while other researchers work on ensuring the viability of the tags through various processing techniques. Specifically the research can be found here:

http://www.afmnet.ca/project/summary.html?pid=97

This way the product itself is able to be authenticated and traced through the food chain irregardless of packaging and such... I don't much about the RFID tagging in drugs but I do know its a requirement for certain live animals up here to be able to trace the farm they're from up to the point of slaughter (thanks BSE)


Thank you for this reply.




Real0ne -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:03:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Story Here

In a move hailed as a step toward fairness for same-sex couples, President Barack Obama is ordering that nearly all hospitals allow patients to say who has visitation rights and who can help make medical decisions, including gay and lesbian partners.


I know lots of people who are gonna be happy with this...as well they should be
Congrats and honestly about time


WOW give them what they already have!

what a deal!







tazzygirl -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:24:07 AM)

Shows how much you know. Without a health care power of attorney (part of the dreaded "death panel") unmarried partners had no say over family members. Family could walk in without having seen the patient in years and take over health care decisions.

This change has been desperately needed.




Real0ne -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:29:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Prove it.


Tazz, on the road to discovery- one must make some of the effort. 


No. If somebody claims the moon is made of green cheese, it's up to the claimant to back it up.


Unless its called the holohoax, or the demolition of the world trade center, ot the USS liberty, or the gulf of tonkin, or the alleged terrorist attack.

Those claims we just sorta let slip by because the guberment said so, OR we accept some half assed excuse as real evidence because we the idiots, errm I mean People idiots dont have a clue what evidence really is OR we forgive them because they never have enough money to do their job right.






Real0ne -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:32:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Shows how much you know. Without a health care power of attorney (part of the dreaded "death panel") unmarried partners had no say over family members. Family could walk in without having seen the patient in years and take over health care decisions.

This change has been desperately needed.


Bullshit!

I could damn near give power of attorney to my dog.  Not quite but damn near.  They just need a good shithouse lawyer LMAO




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:33:58 AM)

Learn to read. I said without it.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:42:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Prove it.


Tazz, on the road to discovery- one must make some of the effort. 



Since you keep bringing it up the onus is on you to either prove it or shut up about it.





thornhappy -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:45:35 AM)

No, they can't.  RFIDs are too large.  Go get your parrot chipped and see how loud he squawks.  I heard mine all the way out to the lobby!
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No.

They now CAN put RFIDS into vax.  And they will go into meds in a few years.





tazzygirl -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 7:56:34 AM)

Imagine the size of THAT horsepill!

lol




pahunkboy -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 8:00:50 AM)

I feel like I am working back at the group home. lol


Everyone is going to be good today.




cadenas -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 8:49:57 AM)

A couple facts about RFIDs:

- DVDs/CDs/etc. are currently NOT usually tagged with RFIDs. The device that have been "swished over a magnet" actually is a simple security device. It does not have any identification in it; they are all the same (what the swishing over a magnet actually does is overload the current through the antenna of this device, burning it).

- US passports do contain larger RFID tags that can be read from 33 feet away.

- RFIDs do come in extremely small sizes (Hitachi makes one 0.15x0.15 mm). It would be entirely feasible to put an RFID chip into, say, a pill or an injection. It doesn't make sense, though, because these RFID chips can only be read from a few millimeters away.

- larger RFIDs (the size of a grain of rice) are available in implantable form. They are routinely implanted in both animals and, more recently, humans. For instance, some top-level Mexican government officials have it as access control devices.

- RFIDs cannot EVER be used to find somebody anywhere on the planet. RFIDs can only be read from at most 100 feet away.

- RFID tags contain basically just a serial number, nothing else.

- RFIDs ARE very scary in terms of privacy, but few people understand what the real problems are.

For instance:

- The RFID chip in a US passport can be used by terrorist to trigger a bomb on when an American tourist walks by.
- The jeans you just bought at Walmart may soon contain an RFID chip. Every time you wear these jeans and walk into a Walmart store, Walmart can track exactly where you are.
- Once RFID readers are ubiquitous (and that is just a matter of time), the serial number of the same jeans will also show up on the RFID scanners at Starbucks, Target.
- Once RFID readers are on every street corner (just as cameras on London streets are today), the police will be able to track your movement throughout the city from one RFID reader to the next by the minute.

Those are real dangers or RFIDs. Injecting them without consent isn't one of the problems we are likely going to have to solve.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The 20 footer RFIDs are too large to fit in even the largest needle that can be inserted into man without cakking him.  Visible to the naked eye.  hunkie, if he owns any dvds or certain other hard goods that may have been swished over a magnet at the checkout already has RFIDs in his house.






pahunkboy -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 9:10:12 AM)

Cad,   just about everyone here IS within 33 feet of an antennae of some sort- or an electronic device.  Some of which are connected to the grid- and that then makes one trackable.




xbrand -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/17/2010 2:07:06 PM)

yeah sure.....next he'll be extending the bill to homosexuals.




cadenas -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/18/2010 12:03:35 AM)

Antenna is not the same as RFID reader. Those are currently still very rare, although it won't stay that way.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Cad,   just about everyone here IS within 33 feet of an antennae of some sort- or an electronic device.  Some of which are connected to the grid- and that then makes one trackable.




pahunkboy -> RE: Obama extends health care rights to gay partners (4/18/2010 5:04:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cadenas

Antenna is not the same as RFID reader. Those are currently still very rare, although it won't stay that way.

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Cad,   just about everyone here IS within 33 feet of an antennae of some sort- or an electronic device.  Some of which are connected to the grid- and that then makes one trackable.



I thought I seen them for sale in ebay.




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