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LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 10:31:12 AM)

there doesnt need to be an injured party for an offence to have been committed or for it to be prosecuted. in any case in this instance the offence is against The People, who through their representatives have ordained the laws.

in any case further, corpus delicti requires that something contrary to law has occurred and that this was brought about by criminal agency - even in strict liability where the second part may be thought absent it is present; mens rea can be intention or recklessness - in the case of speeding this is clear - and this presence is important in that it may provide a defence where the strict liability offence was committed by way of involuntary conduct - think the recent instances of the Toyota cars (though driving an unroadworthy vehicle may prevail).

the last famous case of a failure to understand corpus delicti was the "acid bath murderer" who erroneously believed that if he destroyed the bodies of his victims then he ought to escape conviction.

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LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 10:45:58 AM)

its taking you some time RO - what I wrote contains an error - I should have thought, being an expert you might have spotted it quickly?

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 10:48:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

there doesnt need to be an injured party for an offence to have been committed or for it to be prosecuted. in any case in this instance the offence is against The People, who through their representatives have ordained the laws.

in any case further, corpus delicti requires that something contrary to law has occurred and that this was brought about by criminal agency - even in strict liability where the second part may be thought absent it is present; mens rea can be intention or recklessness - in the case of speeding this is clear - and this presence is important in that it may provide a defence where the strict liability offence was committed by way of involuntary conduct - think the recent instances of the Toyota cars (though driving an unroadworthy vehicle may prevail).

the last famous case of a failure to understand corpus delicti was the "acid bath murderer" who erroneously believed that if he destroyed the bodies of his victims then he ought to escape conviction.

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again you are talking statute or lets all assume we do it this way "code"

Does anyone in this courtroom here today have a claim against me?

the only people who love me more than jlf are atturnonmies

beat it prosecutor







LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 12:33:36 PM)

again you assert that statute law (and presumably bylaws, orders and regulations et al established under it) is invalid?

presumably this on the grounds of your supposed personal sovereignty?

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 1:15:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

again you assert that statute law (and presumably bylaws, orders and regulations et al established under it) is invalid?

presumably this on the grounds of your supposed personal sovereignty?

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CORPORATE "bylaws"

ok then lets do it your way

prove the contract

(referring to america)





LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 1:30:56 PM)

what contract?

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 2:37:34 PM)



thats my point!




LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 2:50:26 PM)

for heaven's sake RO

for someone so concerned about the implications of a premise such as "guilty until proven innocent" you have a remarkable modus operandi when it comes to establishing your points; you wish to assert "the system" or whatever/ whoever is in error or fraudulent or whatever and then ask it (or here, others) to disprove your assertions.

It is for you to assert your claims, present evidence and argue your points to prove your claims. It is not for others to disprove your claims, however ill expressed they are, save for their own entertainment.

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 2:54:25 PM)


so you dont wanna play court with me?

I already proved my claim.

there is no injured party in a traffic ticket

yet you wish to believe I am somehow bonded to pay it.

All crime is commercial

you said bylaws, thats corporate, administrative code even many statutes all corporate.

Therefore if you want to leave common law which was my initial premise and go commercial then I want to see the contract.

I guess I assumed you knew where I was going with it.







LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 3:05:41 PM)

Youre going round in circles if youre going anywhere at all. You have not yet asserted any viable claim whatever, still less proved it.

You are legally obliged to pay a traffic ticket, whatever you might think.

Your grasp of law and process is dangerous to your welfare but, as they say, its a free country - you go for it.

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 3:11:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Youre going round in circles if youre going anywhere at all. You have not yet asserted any viable claim whatever, still less proved it.

You are legally obliged to pay a traffic ticket, whatever you might think.

Your grasp of law and process is dangerous to your welfare but, as they say, its a free country - you go for it.

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LE

the last cop that gave me a ticket no longer works there.

yes you are "legally" as in by color of law in the democracy required to pay a traffic ticket if you have a contract with them to do so.

I do not.

I am operating "lawfully" in the republic (individual rights) and I have no "legal" obligation to pay the democracy with (mob privileges).

No party injured no cause no case no ocntroversey simple as that.





LadyEllen -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 3:15:43 PM)

The last cop who gave you a ticket probably had to retire on medical grounds following a breakdown if you dealt with him in the way you post here.

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Real0ne -> RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 (4/24/2010 3:17:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The last cop who gave you a ticket probably had to retire on medical grounds following a breakdown if you dealt with him in the way you post here.

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well I am sure he was not to happy.

rule number 2

big fish eat little fish LOL


you deal mostly in form and I deal in function.






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