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xBullx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 9:40:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Now if you want to have a discussion I am all for it but if you just want to engage in personal attacks please go back to gor where that sort of thing is expected.



So while you intend to imply you're above the personal attack thing......................... you really aren't...

Touche'




Louve00 -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 9:52:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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But it rang home obviously to me that opportunity is there for the grabbing. Do you want to grab it, or do you want to blame someone for you not grabbing it. Its a choice we all are entitled to make. Looking at the number of black politicians, along with the number of sucessful black, jewish, chinese and whatever else race I look at, the sky is limitless for all of us if we want to take the time to make it ours. Of course, you could very well face prejudice, if you aren't lilly white and a part of the American 'norm'. But its your personal reaction to that prejudice that will keep you down or not.



If this were true then all ethnicities in our country would show success related to their porportion in the general population...clearly they do not.


I would think it would be true if every ethnic person had the desire and drive to go after what they wanted.  Whether they actually are or aren't motivated to better their life in a better way is something different. 




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:24:58 AM)

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Well it was simply an analogy. I assume some will care, if you don't why bother...

Jones built his own oil and gas empire. And while he might have been afforded an education, so are many others that apply themselves, no matter the race.

Apart from that he had to buy the Cowboys, Mike was "given" the Bengals. I suppose that fact is lost on the entitlement crowd.


He came from a wealthy family with all the advantages and became financially successful.
OMFG that is so uncommon...not.
When you compare him to another rich boy who is richer it just looses something in the translation.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:27:08 AM)

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I should have said that you might have to be a football "fan" to get that analogy.


Fan or not all you have done is compare richy rich with richer richy rich




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:30:00 AM)

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So are you saying fuck the man with talent? That removes his color? I also recall them saying Jordan wasn't the man he ended up being in college and the pros on talent alone, he worked his ass off. As for me, I like Mike...


I too like mike but your post implied that his success was due to his hard work alone and I pointed out that he has a unique talent that can be honed by hard work but cannot be created by hard work.




GotSteel -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:33:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
While your data was acurate it was incomplete thus giving a less than accurate picture of the inmate population. This in turn begs the question of why did you intentionally misrepresent the data?

I didn't misrepresent anything, I cited a specific statistic to refute a specific claim.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
When the full data set was brought to your attention you respond with [8|]

No I didn't roll my eyes at you, I asked what point you're making. Also, you didn't give the "full data set" there is quite a bit more data that's relevant to the discussion. You also cited a specific statistic, presumably to make a specific point. So I asked: what's your point.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Thus you see my position.

No, clearly I don't or I wouldn't be asking you what it is....




xBullx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:44:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I too like mike but your post implied that his success was due to his hard work alone and I pointed out that he has a unique talent that can be honed by hard work but cannot be created by hard work.



Interestingly enough, I believe we all have "special" talents that once harnessed serve us and possibly society quite well. It's just a matter of application. I have a son that was a beast in HS Football and he accomplished most of that on natural size and talent, had he been willing to continue to put in the work, well who knows, he have family that have played successfully on the 1A level in college, so genetics weren't physically an issue.

So another white boy (my son) thinks he just has to show up and play while most likely some hard working kid of whatever color has his position on the team of "my" dreams. [;)]

Oh well, will always have Paris..............................................Island.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:48:38 AM)

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Well if you were out in the world at work you might actually hear those everybodies that feel they are taken advantage of. Or do they not count because they aren't black?


For purposes of this discussion we are discussing the fact that the majority of the funds that supported this country came from the taxes on the labor of slaves.
That means that the infrastructure that we have today is based on labor that was not compensated (slave labor).
How your buddies down at the truck stop feel about the pile of shit that is their life is not germain to this discussion.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 10:56:59 AM)

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RockefellerCarnagie,Swift,Westinghouse







Your discontenet for the elite is obvious, but simply hating someone fixes nothing.



I do not know how you got there from here


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Until recent decades it was almost impossible for some folks that were and are Americans to get a chance,

RockefellerCarnagie,Swift,Westinghouse

These are the names of some of those Americans for whom you said it was impossible to get a chance.
Good bad or ugly they were financially successful.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:02:31 AM)

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And this list represents all of America or just the people you blame your contempt on?


No it represents a list of rich guys who did not "work" for it.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:18:02 AM)

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ROFLMAO
Gawd I just love your hutzpa lumping someone like Mike with a punk like chenault

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2010/03/what-did-ken-chenault-do-to-earn-796-million.html



So now not only does he have to be black, he has to be someone you approve of?...

It is not a question of whether I aprove of him or not it is a function of you holding a priviledged black man up as proof that anyone can rise to the same height. I post a link that shows that he is an overpaid fuckstick who has shorn 20% off of the value of their stock. He may be rich black and well positioned but his performance is clearly not in line with his compensation.
If you want to hold up a Horatio Alger for the black community you might pick someone who actually is.


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If you are connected it is a piece of cake....look at your buddy kenny (the shark) chenault.



Again your point is that he is not afford opportunity because he's black or he is a rotten mother fucker?

That might be your point.
My point was that he is a priviledged black guy who is well positioned and being grossly overpaid...
not
As you might have us believe a black Horatio Alger who pulled himself up by his bootstraps with hard work and blah blah blah to become the president of American Express.



Hell no, it never has been, did they have to work harder then others, I suspect so.

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Didn't kenny the shark prep at Andover before he matriculated at Harvard....(kenny was a poor underpriviledged black kid from Long Island)



I suspect my response to this further railing would be as redundent as your rant.

Not redundant ,just pointing out the falacies in your thinking.




DomYngBlk -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:20:47 AM)

I am not going to get into this debate here.  I stated my opinions on it way back on the first page.  But Bull's post about earning things and what all people can do brought up a point that reminded me of something. 

Years ago I was working in a hospital as a respiratory therapist.  There was a Chinese man (a respiratory therapist also) who worked in my department on the night shift.  This guy worked nights in respiratory at the hospital, and by day he owned his own business in real estate.  I asked him once what gave him the desire to have a successful job at night (which paid pretty damn good and even better with the night differential pay) and also dedicate himself to his own real estate business. 

His response was when he was living over in China, the people of China had limited information about their gov't and aside from that did not always have the right to work in any field they wanted to.  He said when he came to America, found out as much about the gov't as he did and that the sky was the limit on what he could do, he wondered why all Americans didn't seize that opportunity.

 
Cute story. But know what? When Mr. Chinese Man walks into his local bank for that loan alongside of me who do you think will get the loan? Him.

When Mr. Chinese Man goes to show a home in a gated community will he have to show ID and watch for the local Police to come round to ask him what he is doing there? No, I would.

So please save me from the "Gotta take yourself from your bootstraps" song and dance.


His wonder was a good one.  His race didn't stop him for success, despite the fact that english was not his first language and he was not always easy to understand and didn't always understand American wit and sarcasm (I laughed my ass off when he told me he tried to put an oxygen mask on a drunk man and the man refused and his response to that was laughter and he added..."he must be a bare head" (he meant skin head! lol)

But it rang home obviously to me that opportunity is there for the grabbing.  Do you want to grab it, or do you want to blame someone for you not grabbing it.  Its a choice we all are entitled to make.  Looking at the number of black politicians, along with the number of sucessful black, jewish, chinese and whatever else race I look at, the sky is limitless for all of us if we want to take the time to make it ours.  Of course, you could very well face prejudice, if you aren't lilly white and a part of the American 'norm'.  But its your personal reaction to that prejudice that will keep you down or not.

My husband is black.  I detest racial prejudice...or any prejudice.  But sometimes we shirk accountability in the name of prejudice.  [sm=2cents.gif]




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:22:00 AM)

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There's been nothing free about my ride, and you better have facts before you talk out your ass on that subject.


You are a trucker.
Trucks do ten times more damage to the highway they drive on than the taxes they pay to drive on those roads.
Yes you are taking a free ride on the backs of those who do pay for the fucking roads.




DomYngBlk -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:26:40 AM)

The problem is is that prejudices built into the fabric of the land don't get recognized as privelidges. They are seen as "my rights".  Well not all of us got those "rights" and I think that is what we are really saying.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:26:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: xBullx


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Now if you want to have a discussion I am all for it but if you just want to engage in personal attacks please go back to gor where that sort of thing is expected.



So while you intend to imply you're above the personal attack thing......................... you really aren't...

Touche'



I did not imply a fucking thing.
You feel comfortable making personal attacks on me but act surprised that I might return the favor...one might have thought you would have learned better by now[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:30:23 AM)

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If this were true then all ethnicities in our country would show success related to their porportion in the general population...clearly they do not.



I would think it would be true if every ethnic person had the desire and drive to go after what they wanted. Whether they actually are or aren't motivated to better their life in a better way is something different.



So your position is that some ethnic groups are genetically lazy and can never progress to the level that you aspire to for them?




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:37:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Thus you see my position.

No, clearly I don't or I wouldn't be asking you what it is....


I had two points:
first: That black people and brown people are represented in prison in numbers far in excess of their presence in the general population.
second: That you were being disingenuous in your post about the number of people in prison which gives the impression that since their are more whites in prison than blacks there is no discrimination. I showed that was incorrect
If that was not your intent I will take you at your word.





DomYngBlk -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:39:37 AM)

Interesting comment from Louve, Thanks for catching that Thompson




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:40:08 AM)

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Oh well, will always have Paris..............................................Island.


The geography is quite beautiful




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (4/28/2010 11:47:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Interesting comment from Louve, Thanks for catching that Thompson



The one I like best is:
"one of my best friends is(fill in the blank with the ethnicity of whomever you are trying to schmooze)"




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