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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well, speaking as a transsexual who lost everything on announcing it eight and a half years ago, it was obviously dead easy for me to build an international business employing a dozen people over the last seven and a half years. No struggle whatsoever, it all just fell in my lap. Hopefully offices number 5 and 6 in countries 3 and 4 will soon fall in my lap too, along with another two dozen employees, to make our turnover around $15million, 'cause considering the lack of effort I put into it all and the easy ride I've had it must just be due to the unfair advantages that working class transsexuals have in life.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

What can I say HC? Yes, you need a little "luck" - which is actually being prepared for opportunity, as well as hard work. But you also need to know how to take calculated risk and be willing to take it.

Those who defeat themselves from the off with fear of taking risks or failing to adequately analyse risks, those unprepared for opportunity - these are employees, people who could easily do what I did but do not. They work hard, thats great and all, but its me that takes the risk, its me that sees and exploits the opportunity so its me that succeeds.

There wont be any commiserations if I should fail either - no prizes for coming last. It would then be for me to start over, not sit there crying about how unfair it all is, or for me to accept that maybe I wasnt cut out for success, and find a job.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"Fair... a place where pigs win ribbons"

Life isnt fair. Never has been, never will be. Its time to face that reality and deal. This fantasy land so many have about equality and fairness is what keeps so many angry and delusioned.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"Fair... a place where pigs win ribbons"

Life isnt fair. Never has been, never will be. Its time to face that reality and deal. This fantasy land so many have about equality and fairness is what keeps so many angry and delusioned.

So you are against life being fair?
Are you against people treating one another with respect?
Maybe you should move to Italy with merc.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"Fair... a place where pigs win ribbons"

Life isnt fair. Never has been, never will be. Its time to face that reality and deal. This fantasy land so many have about equality and fairness is what keeps so many angry and delusioned.

So you are against life being fair?
Are you against people treating one another with respect?
Maybe you should move to Italy with merc.

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The red tinted sentence is just dripping with irony(tinting mine)coming from you tommie....lol.

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No, I got your point. And there is honor in a struggle. But what I am saying wouldn't it be nice if no one had to struggle to "prove" their abilities?

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No, I got your point. And there is honor in a struggle. But what I am saying wouldn't it be nice if no one had to struggle to "prove" their abilities?

Would it be nice? Of course.

Thank you for your candor

That said, please point me to any place in human history where every child got started in life with exactly the same opportunities, any time when life was totally fair within a human society. It has never happened.


Where had representative democracy been present before it was tried?

The only way such a thing could happen is some form of communism, where the gov't takes everything and divides it equally, or where the children are taken away and raised by the gov't.

What is your bassis for this bullshit premis?


Even if it were possible to implement this system without corruption (unlikely), what would be the motivation for people to do their best and excel?

Of all the people in the world how many excell?



Many people, especially immigrants and lower middle class folks, do so not only for themselves, but so that their children have a better start in life than they did. Would you really go to medical school if the kid flipping burgers was making the same amount of money that you would as a physician?

So you are saying that there is equal prestige and perks in both occupations?




Would your motivation to work hard be as strong if you knew that your children were not permitted to benefit from your success?

Pretty much the mind set of most of amerika...except the rich


Say that you invent and patent a widget that revolutionizes manufacturing in some way. You are now a self made millionaire. Would you like to be told that you can't send your kids to private school, or pay for extra tutoring if they need it because it isn't fair to other people's children? That you can't read to your children at night because doing so will give them an edge over children who don't get read to?


What a mindless pile of shit...you are making an either or situation out of something that is not
If you are a gazillionaire and taxes reduce you to a billionaire do you think that would keep you from sending your kids to private school?.


That said, it seems that you think I'm against changing the current system. That is not the case. I'm a big believer in education, and the state of school systems all over this country is a disgrace.

Again more unsubstantiated bullshit...There are some school systems that need fixing. For you to characterize the whole system as a disgrace is assinine

Change is needed, but throwing money at the problem is not the solution. Nothing will change without a fundamental shift in people's attitudes toward education. Look at Japan. The country was nearly destroyed in WWII, and now they are a global power. Why? There are several reasons, but one of the most important is the emphasis put on education by the parents and the communities.

Since I used to teach school in Japan I may have some understanding of that system which was instituted a long time before Japan lost WWII.
The fact that Japan does not have a significant defense budget(Japan's defense is the U.S.)Allows her plenty of money to put into education.
Why is it that schools in wealthy districts have students that do better than the poorer districts if money is not part of the solution?



In this country, kids are more worried about how to get the latest iPhone or $100 sneakers that their friends have than about learning how to get ahead in life....
Perhaps your children are that way but you are not qualified to speak for all children or even a majority of them.

and we wonder why they aren't succeeding?

Have you taken note of the list of Nobel and Pulitzer prize winners who are graduates of the American educational system?

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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No, I got your point. And there is honor in a struggle. But what I am saying wouldn't it be nice if no one had to struggle to "prove" their abilities?

Would it be nice? Of course. That said, please point me to any place in human history where every child got started in life with exactly the same opportunities, any time when life was totally fair within a human society. It has never happened. The only way such a thing could happen is some form of communism, where the gov't takes everything and divides it equally, or where the children are taken away and raised by the gov't.

Even if it were possible to implement this system without corruption (unlikely), what would be the motivation for people to do their best and excel? Many people, especially immigrants and lower middle class folks, do so not only for themselves, but so that their children have a better start in life than they did. Would you really go to medical school if the kid flipping burgers was making the same amount of money that you would as a physician? Would your motivation to work hard be as strong if you knew that your children were not permitted to benefit from your success? Say that you invent and patent a widget that revolutionizes manufacturing in some way. You are now a self made millionaire. Would you like to be told that you can't send your kids to private school, or pay for extra tutoring if they need it because it isn't fair to other people's children? That you can't read to your children at night because doing so will give them an edge over children who don't get read to?

That said, it seems that you think I'm against changing the current system. That is not the case. I'm a big believer in education, and the state of school systems all over this country is a disgrace. Change is needed, but throwing money at the problem is not the solution. Nothing will change without a fundamental shift in people's attitudes toward education. Look at Japan. The country was nearly destroyed in WWII, and now they are a global power. Why? There are several reasons, but one of the most important is the emphasis put on education by the parents and the communities. In this country, kids are more worried about how to get the latest iPhone or $100 sneakers that their friends have than about learning how to get ahead in life.... and we wonder why they aren't succeeding?

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Funny.  I thought her comment on it all was dead on.  What good does it do to sit and cry over it?  What good does it do to point your finger like a child and say "Look, look....life isn't fair!!" 

Lucky for you that Crispus Attuks did not share your opinion.
Crispus Attuks was that black man who said to the English that the way they were treating the colonist was unfair...The Britts shot him to death he was the first man to die in the American Revolution.



You can either make it your life's mission to keep yourself blameless by blaming everyone else and get nowhere...or try on your own.


If this were true you would be the govonor or the president...obviously you are just a lazy phoque because you have not achieved any real success in your life.

  You're either going to lose something you never had, or get somewhere on your own merit, and be going somewhere you never would have gone without the effort
If you never had freedom would you miss it?

And just for the record, some people fail many, many times at a thing before they accomplish it.  But they succeeded by not giving up.

So the talented and the clever succeed and the not talented and clever deserve to eat shit.
In my country the government exist for the people at the consent of the people.
All of the people not just the clever and the rich.

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Where had representative democracy been present before it was tried?

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What is your bassis for this bullshit premis?

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Of all the people in the world how many excell?

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So you are saying that there is equal prestige and perks in both occupations?

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Pretty much the mind set of most of amerika...except the rich

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What a mindless pile of shit...you are making an either or situation out of something that is not
If you are a gazillionaire and taxes reduce you to a billionaire do you think that would keep you from sending your kids to private school?.

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Again more unsubstantiated bullshit...There are some school systems that need fixing. For you to characterize the whole system as a disgrace is assinine

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Since I used to teach school in Japan I may have some understanding of that system which was instituted a long time before Japan lost WWII.
The fact that Japan does not have a significant defense budget(Japan's defense is the U.S.)Allows her plenty of money to put into education.

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Why is it that schools in wealthy districts have students that do better than the poorer districts if money is not part of the solution?

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Perhaps your children are that way but you are not qualified to speak for all children or even a majority of them.

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Have you taken note of the list of Nobel and Pulitzer prize winners who are graduates of the American educational system?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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The red tinted sentence is just dripping with irony(tinting mine)coming from you tommie....lol.

You spend gallons of ink calling me names and you post this shit...

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Funny.  I thought her comment on it all was dead on.  What good does it do to sit and cry over it?  What good does it do to point your finger like a child and say "Look, look....life isn't fair!!" 

Lucky for you that Crispus Attuks did not share your opinion.
Crispus Attuks was that black man who said to the English that the way they were treating the colonist was unfair...The Britts shot him to death he was the first man to die in the American Revolution.
Bullshit tommie....Crispus was part of a mob(think early Tea Baggers) terrorizing a squad of British soldiers screaming about a lack of gainful employment.He was merely one person in a crowd who happened to get shot when panicked soldiers indiscrimitely fired into a crowd after much provacation.



You can either make it your life's mission to keep yourself blameless by blaming everyone else and get nowhere...or try on your own.


If this were true you would be the govonor or the president...obviously you are just a lazy phoque because you have not achieved any real success in your life.
Do you make this shit up as you go along?

You're either going to lose something you never had, or get somewhere on your own merit, and be going somewhere you never would have gone without the effort
If you never had freedom would you miss it?
Is this a question from a  Woddie Guthrie song?

And just for the record, some people fail many, many times at a thing before they accomplish it.  But they succeeded by not giving up.

So the talented and the clever succeed and the not talented and clever deserve to eat shit.
In my country the government exist for the people at the consent of the people.
All of the people not just the clever and the rich.
Tommie the clever and the rich have always had an advantage and always will over the not so bright and not so rich.
Are you per chance denying this is so ?