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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:24:46 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		If you wish to bastardize a dictionary definition to make a point, then it only reflects poorly on you.

Create a discussion that does not try to redefine a word that has definitions that fit what you are arguing against.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:26:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

BTW...I am participating in a form of communication in a certain medium. Forums do not a community make.



Per Websters they do.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:28:10 PM   
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All I am saying, without any personal emotional attachment what so ever, is that just because something is not fulfilling to one person, does not mean it does not exist...........with the definition the dictionary gives........to other people.
I know-but I don't get the impression that the OP was necessarily disregarding the idea of human relationships forming over the net-just the idea of an online *community*-the AIDS example she gave placed a huge emphasis on practicality.

An online 'community' like this wouldn't stand up to the sheer amount of palliative care needed during an AIDS epidemic-that doesn't negate the possibility that individuals from the boards would jump on a plane if another individual needed them, but that doesn't mean there's a community in the sense of the one in her example.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:28:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

BTW...I am participating in a form of communication in a certain medium. Forums do not a community make.



Per Websters they do.



absolutely.  its simply a matter of moving with the times and accepting that community evolves and changes and has done so since forever.

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:32:20 PM   
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its wrong to knock a thing that has brought many many people together.
How is saying 'it's not a community' the same as knocking it? It's a mode of communication. It's a place for people's minds to meet. It's a tool for bringing people together-all positive things.

None of which necessarily make it a community.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:32:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear all the time "Thank god for my online friends. I don't know anybody where I live." or "I'm too busy..."

But honestly, that's an excuse. People are so busy surfing facebook or CM or whatever, and they don't have time... or MAKE time.,... to get to know their neighbors. And then they claim a lack of connection, so they turn to their online friends to fill the void... and the social skills it takes to actually create a connection in r/t atrophy, en masse, across the towns...

Like VC mentioned, how is my connection with CyberPersonXYZ going to benefit if my kid locks themself out of the house while I'm at work? Or if I get a flat tire while I'm at the grocery store and WHOOPS my cell battery is dead.... It's not. Plain and simple. We can come up with excuses to make ourselves FEEL BETTER about our diminished interpersonal connections, but it doesn't IMPROVE them. It just makes us feel less shallow. :P


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:33:33 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		I understand what you are saying VC. My point, which I may be mis-wording completely, is that what is community for ME, something I want to make important in MY LIFE, or what I see as ridiculous, silly, fake, etc etc etc., MY experience.....still does not invalidate it for someone else.

Personally I do not feel a sense of community to this place in that, the persons participating are more like 1 dimensional shadow figures...it's real but it's not. BUT......I am not going to be so narrow minded and arrogant as to demean the importance of it to others. And.....I cannot argue with the black and white print in Websters. For many people, per that definition, it is an important community to THEM.

The definition does not say, must be present to win. And just because to win with ME, one must be present, does not mean it is the same for everyone or that I can change a dictionary definition to suit myself.


< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 4/27/2010 2:35:23 PM >

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:34:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

All I am saying, without any personal emotional attachment what so ever, is that just because something is not fulfilling to one person, does not mean it does not exist...........with the definition the dictionary gives........to other people.
I know-but I don't get the impression that the OP was necessarily disregarding the idea of human relationships forming over the net-just the idea of an online *community*-the AIDS example she gave placed a huge emphasis on practicality.

An online 'community' like this wouldn't stand up to the sheer amount of palliative care needed during an AIDS epidemic-that doesn't negate the possibility that individuals from the boards would jump on a plane if another individual needed them, but that doesn't mean there's a community in the sense of the one in her example.



if someone wrote on here that they were diagnosed HIV + you can bet the community would be there with every bit of support they could muster.  maybe not in the physical sense, but here as an outlet to talk, lean on people who are not so emotionally close that they could not share the things that would be impossible to share with someone too emotionally vulnerable to cope with the despair we would normally try to spare the people we love.

there is more to a community than physical prescence.



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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:36:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

All I am saying, without any personal emotional attachment what so ever, is that just because something is not fulfilling to one person, does not mean it does not exist...........with the definition the dictionary gives........to other people.
I know-but I don't get the impression that the OP was necessarily disregarding the idea of human relationships forming over the net-just the idea of an online *community*-the AIDS example she gave placed a huge emphasis on practicality.

An online 'community' like this wouldn't stand up to the sheer amount of palliative care needed during an AIDS epidemic-that doesn't negate the possibility that individuals from the boards would jump on a plane if another individual needed them, but that doesn't mean there's a community in the sense of the one in her example.



Speaking of family issues, I have to go and deal with my own but wanted to share what was a really powerful and touching experience for me over the weekend because I thought it would create some interesting discussion. I thrive on thought provoking communication and would simply love to have this conversation over dinner because it's easier to do and it's easier to communicate the *feelings* behind each person's perspective that way.

MsVC, you're touching on points I'm simply not able to carry through right now because of my own family obligations. And thank you for that.

And now I must go and I look forward to reading whatever hate mail or praise or whatever comes my way when I get home.

boi

P.S. My club brother, my Leather brother, boy Sean, won SouthEast Leather boy 2010 this last weekend. Being there when he came out shaking getting ready for his speech and being there when he won has been one of my proudest moments of my participation in the South Florida Leather Community and there is no way I would be able to understand that feeling without knowing who he is and who boy Paul (also a club brother of mine) who lost when competing this weekend. I firmly believe these feelings of excitement and happiness and pride and even sadness for both of my brothers this weekend aren't possible without knowing them. There's no way I could feel what I feel now and then without knowing them. The internet cannot make this happen for me or them.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:36:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too many parts of the OP smack of an elitist view.

I will state that many of us are probably elitist. But in the interest of the online community, we post carefully.....

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:37:18 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		And as far as the HIV thing............I am pretty sure that charitable organizations have been able to raise enough money, through various mediums that did not require spending physical time with each person, to make a difference in many people's lives. There are multiple ways to make an important impact on another persons life. Feeding a person soup is not the only way.

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:38:39 PM   
LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Too many parts of the OP smack of an elitist view.

I will state that many of us are probably elitist. But in the interest of the online community, we post carefully.....


Pfffffffttttttttt!!!!!!!! You can be careful, I will forge ahead, without a care. Sticks and stones yanno.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:41:09 PM   
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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:41:25 PM   
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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:44:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I understand what you are saying VC. My point, which I may be mis-wording completely, is that what is community for ME, something I want to make important in MY LIFE, or what I see as ridiculous, silly, fake, etc etc etc., MY experience.....still does not invalidate it for someone else.

Personally I do not feel a sense of community to this place in that, the persons participating are more like 1 dimensional shadow figures...it's real but it's not. BUT......I am not going to be so narrow minded and arrogant as to demean the importance of it to others. And.....I cannot argue with the black and white print in Websters. For many people, per that definition, it is an important community to THEM.

Ok, I can accept that.

I think discussions about community frustrate me, because it seems like the people who feel strongest about it and who romanticise it the most are also the people who have the least idea of how to actually accomplish it-I just end up wanting to shake them by the shoulders.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:45:39 PM   
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Well then get your ass to the farm cuz ya ain't real unless I can smack ya silly and knock your ass into a pile of horse poo.


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would pay to see that. Seriously, I would fund it.

If I had to borrow the money, I would pay to see that!

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:48:20 PM   
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Well then get your ass to the farm cuz ya ain't real unless I can smack ya silly and knock your ass into a pile of horse poo.

I want photos, but I want you to stop taking them just before she hits the horse doo-doo.

(And to ward off the inevitable jokes: I mean photos of you smacking Divi, not photos of the un-divified horse doings.)


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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:49:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

its wrong to knock a thing that has brought many many people together.
How is saying 'it's not a community' the same as knocking it? It's a mode of communication. It's a place for people's minds to meet. It's a tool for bringing people together-all positive things.

None of which necessarily make it a community.



but people are knocking it - they are saying that all of those positive things are not as valuable as real life and for some they are valuable.  for some this is the only BDSM outlet/community of minds available to them and they rely on it for input, output, sharing and talking.  to invalidate their sense of belonging here or elsewhere in terms of communicating with like minded people is fundamentally flawed.  to say that communication is not community is bollox (OP premis).

its taking an elitest view point and trashing a whole new form of communication between people and calling it not real, not genuine, not in any sense valid.  bollox.

this is community as all other groups all over the internet are community by dint of the fact that they communicate with each other.  you dont have to make soup and bung people a twenty to prove youre 'there'.

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RE: Communication does not create "Community" - 4/27/2010 2:52:55 PM   
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and my love grows deeper every day for LaT


Well then get your ass to the farm cuz ya ain't real unless I can smack ya silly and knock your ass into a pile of horse poo.


ewww lol LaT!!!


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