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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 11:23:06 AM   
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@DomY, Africa & Asia...improved on what was beforehand? :p middle east???
I try not to comment too much on the usa, precisely because it's hard to do so without sounding....French. I'm happy to discuss UK governance, I think I started a thread for just that recently...

Your original post....partly, see my explanations to pa, NI is part of the UK because that's what the (majority) of Northern Irish want, the other part....would you like to see 11/9 described as 'the struggles of the Arabic people'.

@Pah....to be honest I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say, so I'm gonna try to keep it nice and simple. Ireland broke into two parts when the Republic of Ireland became independant from the British, because there was a substanitial number of Irish who wanted to remain British, concentrated mostly in what is now Northern Ireland. The people in what is now the Republic of Ireland who wanted to remain part of the UK were in the minority. The people in Northern Ireland who wanted to break away from the UK were and are in the minority....about 1/4 of NIsh people want NI to become part of the republic...it's a minority viewpoint....and that's quite apart from the point that Eire wouldn't take Northern Ireland back. As for as your other point, you know full well usa suffers far more from gunfighting & terrorism than most nations, including the UK.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 11:25:02 AM   
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The whole of Ireland then should vote on re-unification.   Germany was unified- so there is precedent.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 11:32:50 AM   
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Imagine the situation where Belfast votes ~99% to remain in the UK, but is outvoted by the rest of Ireland....what do you do?

In practice, there is no referendum because opinion polling shows pretty clearly that the majority answer would be 'fuck no' from both sides of the Irish border. Best chance of anywhere voting for NI to go back to Eire would be England, a lot of us don't really want it either. But maybe that'd be no too, it's not really something thought about.....it's not an issue because the general viewpoint is that it's up to the NIsh, and their opinion is clear....the only issue really is how to stop them killing each other....which the Good Friday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Assembly seems to have managed fairly well...down to terrorism deaths<1 a year now.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 11:38:47 AM   
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most people tho prefer local control.

Hopefully it all works out for the best.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 1:47:11 PM   
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@DomY, Africa & Asia...improved on what was beforehand? :p middle east???
I try not to comment too much on the usa, precisely because it's hard to do so without sounding....French. I'm happy to discuss UK governance, I think I started a thread for just that recently...

Your original post....partly, see my explanations to pa, NI is part of the UK because that's what the (majority) of Northern Irish want, the other part....would you like to see 11/9 described as 'the struggles of the Arabic people'.



My point is is that English/Euro colonization of Africa/ME/APAC has led to a multitude of problems globally that we are still trying to fix to this day.  The EU and England seem pat on talking about how things must change but are far lacking in 1. offering solutions 2. owning up to the making of the problem. Both would be a great help rather than blathering on how we doing reprehensible things in Iraq and Afghanistan who were both fucked up by the english.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 1:49:07 PM   
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Okay :)

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 1:52:31 PM   
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...so much for them being our "poodle"   lol

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 2:43:08 PM   
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Pahunk, I find it quite disgusting that you of a so called allied country seem quite content to advocate the killing of  English citizens, by a bunch of people who do not wish to fight for what they believe is right at the ballot box. You appear to be condoning terrorist activity for something you really don't know a great deal about, and the hope is, you yourself have never put you hand in your pocket to finance the murder of English people minding their own business, for the common or garden English citizen, man on the street, shopper, is not, was not, never was the policy maker and implementer of what the English did in Ireland, we are not our lords and masters.

Now given that I understand your stance on the freedom of other countries won by the bullet and semtex, do you so feel the same about those who wage war on your own country, for the freedoms they seek from US policy in the Middle East ? For that is what it is all about, policy and the actions of your Lords and Masters. The US citizen who is maimed and killed by the Islamic extremist is just the same, a normal Joe, minding their own business. How often is it the policy makers that get the result of these atrocities against the unarmed defenceless citizen ?

In the US, is it the same, the policy makers bleat at how disgusting a thing is, but do little, for the simple fact, it is not them on the receiving end, they can continue with their lives under enhanced security and, continue with their policies, which lead to the targetting of the common or garden, minding their own business American man, woman or child on the street.


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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 2:49:24 PM   
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Wow, pretty simplistic sentence to wipe away the struggles of the Irish people. Think the treachery of the Crown has as much to do with the 6 counties being part of the UK than anything else. But like most things the English have done over the years they create havoc, take all the goodies, then kick the dust off their shoes and go home to leave the place in conflict.


I just love this sort of ignorance from people without a clue of UK or European history.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 2:54:21 PM   
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Of course we are going to "get it" here in America.  That is what imperialism does.  An oppressed people are going to retaliate.    That is no surprise.

The IRA turned in their weapons.  I would not have. 

But what came first the chicken or the egg?

Ireland gets backed into a corner that no matter what it does it is not acceptable.  So what motivation is it for them to get along?

Y'all could be nicer to the Irish.  

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:03:01 PM   
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Sorry Pahunk, but you have not got a fucking clue what you are talking about here.


But the imperialism you see and constantly try to educate others to, what's the point, why bleat so much ?

If it bothers you so much you could always try do something about it, at the ballot box. If it is you find no one else sees your point of view and fails to support you, you could of course with your apparent support for terrorist actions make people see your point of view.


< Message edited by Aneirin -- 4/30/2010 3:10:33 PM >


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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:03:40 PM   
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Of course we are going to "get it" here in America.  That is what imperialism does.  An oppressed people are going to retaliate.    That is no surprise.

The IRA turned in their weapons.  I would not have. 

But what came first the chicken or the egg?

Ireland gets backed into a corner that no matter what it does it is not acceptable.  So what motivation is it for them to get along?

Y'all could be nicer to the Irish.  



You really dont get it do you Pahunk. Every comment you make is tied in with your stupid conspiracy theories, regardless of any political or historical changes that have taken place.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:04:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Wow, pretty simplistic sentence to wipe away the struggles of the Irish people. Think the treachery of the Crown has as much to do with the 6 counties being part of the UK than anything else. But like most things the English have done over the years they create havoc, take all the goodies, then kick the dust off their shoes and go home to leave the place in conflict.


I just love this sort of ignorance from people without a clue of UK or European history.


So, it wasn't Europeans who took over India and had the thought that it made sense to keep what is Pakistan and Bangledesh as part of that country......

And it wasn't Europeans to took hold of congo and rwanda and stuck the tribes together. And made sure that they sold dissent between them?

Yeah, ok. I was wrong then...


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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:06:50 PM   
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No I do not advocate terrorism.  I had some heated conversations with the few who live in Ireland to come to the conclusions that I have.

Why is it so difficult to get along?

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:09:37 PM   
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Strange turn of events in this here post.

I am hoping for electoral reform, that is the biggest thing that this election could and should bring, the way it is at the moment encourages people to sit at home.

I have always been a lib dem supporter and I am bloody glad that, having been given a voice, people are starting to see what they stand for. I was convinced it would be a conservative majority and that fact scared me shitless, I am glad that it is all less clear, even in the instance of a hung parliament hopefully we will get PR and another election in six months.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:11:31 PM   
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Pahunk, I find it quite disgusting that you of a so called allied country seem quite content to advocate the killing of  English citizens, by a bunch of people who do not wish to fight for what they believe is right at the ballot box. You appear to be condoning terrorist activity for something you really don't know a great deal about, and the hope is, you yourself have never put you hand in your pocket to finance the murder of English people minding their own business, for the common or garden English citizen, man on the street, shopper, is not, was not, never was the policy maker and implementer of what the English did in Ireland, we are not our lords and masters.

Now given that I understand your stance on the freedom of other countries won by the bullet and semtex, do you so feel the same about those who wage war on your own country, for the freedoms they seek from US policy in the Middle East ? For that is what it is all about, policy and the actions of your Lords and Masters. The US citizen who is maimed and killed by the Islamic extremist is just the same, a normal Joe, minding their own business. How often is it the policy makers that get the result of these atrocities against the unarmed defenceless citizen ?

In the US, is it the same, the policy makers bleat at how disgusting a thing is, but do little, for the simple fact, it is not them on the receiving end, they can continue with their lives under enhanced security and, continue with their policies, which lead to the targetting of the common or garden, minding their own business American man, woman or child on the street.



Bollocks, Just own up to it for fucks sake. Wasn't it Cromwell who stuck all of the Protestants in NI in the first place? You did the deed and now are complaining about the result?

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:14:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No I do not advocate terrorism.  I had some heated conversations with the few who live in Ireland to come to the conclusions that I have.

Why is it so difficult to get along?



The same could be said about countries where US foreign policy is causing problems in this present age.


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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:16:37 PM   
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Domyngblk, earlier you complained about over simplifying, do not fall into the trap of it yourself.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:18:43 PM   
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US foreign policy is pretty bad.  

A trainwreck in fact. 

The Federal Reserve is - the culprit.  They fund all wars.  So yes- agreed.

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RE: The final week. - 4/30/2010 3:23:43 PM   
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Domyngblk, earlier you complained about over simplifying, do not fall into the trap of it yourself.


I realize the complexity.....I just find the total lack of honesty to be overwhelming

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