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Not only that but the fact that US Corporations use the H1 to keep pay for talented professionals such as Engineers and Programmers low by bringing offshore workers. Of course, they add insult to injury by claiming we don't produce enough talented people to fill the need.....Which is obviously a bunch of shit. If what they say is true then a US company wouldn't have to patent a product because the China or India would already have produced such a product. Its all a game with Corporations holding all the cards......The people need to stand up and stand up now
I know, same with nurses. Instead of allowing the free market to work within national boundaries (wages would go up, companies would offer incentives, etc.) -- they just flood the American job market with nurses from the Philippines and etc.
And yet, people are only angry because unskilled foreign workers are "illegal" (as if their compliance with bureaucratic red tape would make any difference to the American economy). There is a lot more at stake than that for the American middle class. It's the loss of middle class jobs, the negative effect on wages and competition -- all of which is caused by unchecked LEGAL immigration.
I guess I must be wearing my rose colored glasses today  I've said in the past that you can find a link on the internet to back up whatever you want to believe....
DO IMMIGRANTS REDUCE THE WAGES OF U.S. CITIZENS?
Since the 1990s, many academic studies have attempted to assess the extent to which immigration affects the earnings of U.S. workers. Although the findings of those studies vary widely—some discern no impact whatsoever while others conclude that immigration dramatically hurts natives—a consensus has begun to emerge that the truth lies somewhere in between. It appears increasingly likely that immigration has somewhat reduced the wages of native-born workers, with less-skilled and less-educated individuals experiencing the most significant declines.
The most extensive study of this subject released to date is an August 2003 report by Pia M. Orrenius and Madeline Zavodny, researchers at the Federal Reserve Banks of Dallas and Atlanta, respectively. [2] Their conclusions:
- For service-related and professional workers, immigration has had little impact on wages. If anything, increases in the number of newly arriving immigrants actually have slightly positive effects.
- For manual laborers, increases in the share of newly arrived immigrants have no statistically significant negative impact on wages; but increases in the share of immigrants who adjust their immigration status after they have been in the United States—for example, from student or tourist visas (which do not permit employment) to green cards—have a small negative effect.
- The annual wages of low-skilled native workers are about 2.4 percent below where they would be otherwise as a result of the presence of immigrant workers.
Studies by Harvard economist George Borjas, an outspoken advocate of stronger immigration restrictions, have found much more substantial negative effects on the earnings of native workers. His research concluded that between 1980 and 2000, when immigration increased the labor supply of working men by 11 percent in the United States, that influx reduced the average annual wage of native workers by around 3.2 percent. The wage reductions varied significantly depending on the educational level of the worker: a decline of 8.9 percent for high school dropouts, 4.9 percent for college graduates, 2.6 percent for high school graduates, and little change for workers with some college. [3] (Borjas conducted a follow-up study using similar methodology that concluded that immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700, or 4 percent; among natives without a high school education, the wage reduction was 7.4 percent.) [4]
A number of studies conducted in the early to mid-1990s, which contrasted earnings levels in different locations rather than looking at national data, generally detected little or no impact on the wages of native workers. [5] Methodological shortcomings of most of those studies, however, have led most academics to conclude that their results may be somewhat misleading. [6]
http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=PB&pubid=491
Depends on what you want to believe....or how you want to depress yourself, make yourself feel better, I don't know. I make it my business to stay in the positive. Not because I like wearing rose colored glasses, but because I'm not ready to "migrate" to another country, which so many feel is what this country is coming to. And if America is becoming so bad that you can't get a job for all the legal immigrants that come here, then migration may suit your purpose? 
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