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BP responsible. - 5/1/2010 8:27:48 PM   
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4th largest corporation is going to pay through the nose.....The tea baggers would demand nothing less!!!

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/1/2010 8:37:22 PM   
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if so- you share some of the blame.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/1/2010 9:02:58 PM   
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Oil gushed into the Gulf of Mexico unabated Saturday, and officials conveyed little hope that the flow could be contained soon, forcing towns along the Gulf Coast to brace for what is increasingly understood to be an imminent environmental disaster.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/1/2010 9:44:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		An amazing thing. The company from the start has down played the extent of the damage and the amount of oil involved. Their response toi thisdisaster has been awful.

Think of the total cost of this disaster. Clean up, lost wages, irreparable damage.

There will be another knee jerk reaction from our politicians about safer ways to extract oil and how to prevent the next great disaster. This is the problem of having lobbyists run our politicians.

It would be nice for every politician who received funds from BP to turn them over to assist in the clean up.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/1/2010 9:49:27 PM   
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It seems likely that the oil company that holds the lease on Deepwater Horizon, BP, will finally have to abandon its Orwellian “Beyond Petroleum” marketing campaign. This slogan has been so perversely successful that, in 2008, British marketers voted BP’s brand more “green” than Greenpeace. Factually ludicrous, the slogan does accurately reflect drivers’ desire to buy unlimited gasoline while remaining “beyond” all the mess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/opinion/02margonelli.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065

I have always loathed marketing people.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 12:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's an unimaginable environmental and human tragedy already-even with the damage assessment as yet incalcuable ( because they do not know how to stop it).  With Exxon Valdez the quantity of oil was finite; this spill is an endless volcano, potentially spewing as much oil into the ocean as the Exxon Valdez every two days!  And as the OP noted, this one is even polluting the air...
It's unimaginable that BP underreported the damage and delayed federal help.  Worse that they were believed, as they have this hideous history of creating and denying disasters. 
The NYT letter was educational-  pointing out the collusion of the Govt Minerals Mgmt Service - another SEClike example of the politics of govt funded negligence/complicity /deregulation at work by an agency that is supposed to protect not enable.
I also was not surprised to hear of Halliburton in the chain of responsibility for this disaster on HuffPo.  Strongly suspected that Halliburton's failure to competently cap the well  led to the deadly explosion and catastrophe in the first place. 
I campaigned for Obama, voted for Obama and donated more than I could afford to him.  As so many progressives in his base, I was appalled that he recently overturned offshore drilling prohibitions and encouraged nuclear in his energy bill. Neither industry is yet safe, and the monumental consequences of their "oopses" are irreversible.    I am sorry that it took such a tragedy to bring his brains back to earth on what seems such a simple fact..  Maher-excerpted on HuffPo this weekend - is excellent on this topic, btw.
Yes all the oil "we care" ads are and have always been sickening. And BP considered "greener than Greenpeace" - that's obscene. 

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 12:31:02 AM   
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If this IS Haliburton's problem, looks like they want to keep fuel prices high by no more drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Of course, with "Vietnamese, Chinese and Russians" dilling out there, maybe it doesn't matter.

Deepwater Horizon oil spill: Is this Halliburton's Katrina?

The spreading stench of oil, money and destruction off the Louisiana coast should be enough reason for anyone to protest opening more wells offshore. In case it's not, let's just put an end to the myths that offshore drilling is safe, government regulation is bad, and this particular disaster is "Obama's Katrina". It's not, no matter what the AP's Calvin Woodward alleges.

Will this be Obama's Katrina? Should the federal and state governments have done more, and earlier? Did they learn the lessons of the devastating hurricane?

Well, yes. They did. If it weren't for the Obama administration, none of us would know that the flow of oil into the sea was 5 times the rate reported by BP. It was, after all, the federal government experts who exposed the true leakage rate.

True to form, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, and every other right wing hack has jumped right on the bandwagon.
Problem is, it's just not true. The Wall Street Journal has some interesting facts to contradict this set of Frank Luntz/Karl Rove talking points.

Halliburton is directly linked to the failure causing the spill and explosion

The scrutiny on cementing will focus attention on Halliburton Co., the oilfield-services firm that was handling the cementing process on the rig, which burned and sank last week. The disaster, which killed 11, has left a gusher of oil streaming into the Gulf from a mile under the surface.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/deepwater-horizon-disaster-directly-links-h

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AXELROD: Let's understand what the president has said. All he has said is he's not going to continue the moratorium on drilling. But he hasn't -- no additional drilling has been authorized and none will until we find out what happened here. No domestic drilling in new areas is gonna go forward until there is a adequate review of what's happened here.

DRILL BABY DRILL RUSH

RUSH: Meanwhile, the Chinese are drilling in the Gulf, the Russians are drilling in the Gulf in association with the Cubans. The Vietnamese are drilling in the Gulf. The Angolans are drilling for oil in the Gulf, and they're not shutting down.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_043010/content/01125110.guest.html

Deepwater Horizon offshore rig fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3AvrlYfiJE&feature=player_embedded



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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 1:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		So sad. I feel so sad for all the eco-systems, animals, fishes, plants and the like innocently leading their life and now they may suffer exposure and all sorts of bad things.

I find it so sad.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 1:47:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its BPs oil, so BP are responsible. This is not the same as saying that the spill is due to any error or omission on the part of BP however - what BP are liable for is another variety of tort. Nevertheless I would expect BP to be sued for the entirety.

As to who will end up with the bill though, thats a different matter. The rig owner and operator appears to be the first liable party and then Halliburton and maybe AN Other, who presumably contracted to them. I would expect BP to either counterclaim against these other parties or bring them front and square in the suit against them. As it would appear at this stage, BP ought to be able to recover from these others whatever it is judged to have to pay out.

But now isnt really the time to be dealing with this stuff when the priority is to get the leak stopped and to limit the damage from what has already leaked. BP and many others are taking serious action in this regard but frankly the situation is beyond the capacity of the equipment available and despite efforts this is going to affect the area for decades. Compensation payouts to humans will be based on this lasting damage and go some way to providing for lost incomes and lost values. What no amount of compensation can do though is repair the eco system or provide for the fauna and flora.

Let us also remember in discussing all this that several people died in the incident that preceded and caused the oil spill.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 2:39:29 AM   
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quote:

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As to who will end up with the bill though, thats a different matter. The rig owner and operator appears to be the first liable party and then Halliburton and maybe AN Other, who presumably contracted to them. I would expect BP to either counterclaim against these other parties or bring them front and square in the suit against them. As it would appear at this stage, BP ought to be able to recover from these others whatever it is judged to have to pay out.




This is what I assume as well, BP will take responsibility in the first instance and really needs to get the spill cleaned up but after that I imagine they will investigate to place the liability on the rig that they were using. As LE said the most important thing at the moment is making sure that it is cleaned as fast as possible

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 6:44:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

It's complicated,


It's not that complicated to learn how to use the "quote" thingy. ( [ quote]-[ /quote] )

If anyone else is like me, highly unlikely, I don't pay much attention to posts that are not formatted in a reader friendly way.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 6:54:41 AM   
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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:07:42 AM   
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The bandwagon shouldn't fall over any time soon for lack of balance.


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True to form, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, and every other right wing hack has jumped right on the bandwagon...


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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:12:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		BP is already throwing Transocean under the bus.
    The head of BP Group told CNN's Brian Todd in an exclusive interview Wednesday that the accident could have
    been prevented, and he focused blame on rig owner Transocean Ltd.  They have publicly said that "Transoceans"
    blowout preventer which was being operated by "Transocean" failed. 

They are also positioning Haliburton under the bus as well with the suggestions that the well was capped improperly.



http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/louisiana.oil.rig.fire/index.html

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:17:44 AM   
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Very good point, pa.

Any Liberal who hasn't used energy today may feel free to cast the first stone.


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

did you use any petroleum today?


if so- you share some of the blame.



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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:31:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		By your logic then we all share the same responsibility which is nominal. Our "part" in all of this is that we might pay more for oil.

BP is responsible for the total cost of the clean up.

Sanity have you ever noticed that very few people like to take pictures of raptors when they are covered in oil? Troll.


Edited to add: Sanity is now agreeing with pahunk.






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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:38:21 AM   
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You haven't answered pa's question yet, but you don't need to as you are not living like the Amish (obviously).

So I don't live like the Amish and yet I dare to enjoy wildlife, you don't live like the Amish and you despise me for enjoying the wildlife.

So who is the troll?




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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:40:46 AM   
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So who is the troll?


You, that's been obvious to most for ages now.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 7:41:46 AM   
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and like it or not- everyone here will pay for this spill.

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RE: BP responsible? - 5/2/2010 8:20:13 AM   
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Its SOMEBODYS Katrina.

But I ain't namin' names...


quote:

Is this Halliburton's Katrina?


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