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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 8:40:36 PM

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The New York Times already is running editorials how, like it or not, we Americans 'need oil', and we gotta get it somewhere, so...

Fucking disgusting.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 8:59:49 PM

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I feel awful for everything that is going to be destroyed by this disaster.

What a goddam environmental CLUSTERFUCK.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 9:03:20 PM

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I don't care what side of the aisle you sit....If you have already slept through the alarm, this is another fucking wake up call!!!

How can we allow ourselves to be such poor stewards of these lands?....Drill baby drill!!

It is just sickening.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/2/2010 9:11:03 PM

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I feel awful for everything that is going to be destroyed by this disaster.

What a goddam environmental CLUSTERFUCK.

yeh and you can bet your ass there is foul play and they will never find it. senate hearing is just a fucking show for the tards.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 5:16:34 AM

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No, Coup, I don't think it is easy. I do think we need to be constantly seeking innovation and new ways of doing hard things. I get the dangers of trying to patch the leaks and shut off the flow completely, so what I'm asking is about directing where the leaking oil goes.

Guessing from Panda's link (thanks, Panda! ), I might not be completely off base here.

Here's the catch, for some reason you seem to think you've invented an idea. It's one that's has already been thought of and done, but only in shallow water. They don't just sit a box over the well with a long hose. There is a lot of equipment attached to that box in the form of things like valves and gauges, etc.. While they have already been getting everything prepped to try it, it's still a crap shoot.

NOBODY knows if any of this stuff is going to work at 5,000 ft. It may work perfectly, it may work for awhile, it may not work at all.

All of these new fields coming in have been deep water. Nobody is prepared to handle a deep water blowout. NOBODY!

This is the 2nd major blowout in deep water in about 7 months. Of course most Americans have no clue. Who cares? That one happened of the coast of Australia. It should have been a wake up call.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 7:47:40 AM

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By the time this is over, the State of Louisiana will essentially own BP. This will cost them billions, maybe even into the tens of billions before it's over.

Actually BP is legally protected against huge losses. BP may have to pay for the containment and cleanup but their civil liability is capped at $75 million. There is a federal trust fund that can disperse an additional $1 billion. Look into the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund.

Just for comparison sake The completely wiped out, for this year at least, Louisiana oyster fishery is a $4 billion/year industry.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 12:33:34 PM

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Have they determined what actually happened yet? I've seen a lot of speculation but very few facts on what triggered this disaster.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 1:02:56 PM

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Have they determined what actually happened yet? I've seen a lot of speculation but very few facts on what triggered this disaster.

Apparently, there was a massive "kick" in gas pressure coming up the standpipe. The cement cap or plug that was supposed to prevent sudden gas flows from coming up the pipe failed, allowing the gas to come all the way up the pipe and vent into the working areas of the platform. A spark ignited the gas, causing an explosion and then a fire. The fire caused the power systems to fail, which then caused all the other onboard safety systems to fail. The rig burned until it sank, and when it sank it broke the standpipe attaching it to the ocean floor.

The blowout preventer (BPO), which is a hydraulic ram designed to shear off the pipe at the ocean floor and seal it shut as a last resort, then failed to work properly. It operates by remote control, and while they were apparently able to get it to slam shut, it would not stay closed. As of a few hours ago, BP is reporting that they have managed to get it working to some degree, but not enough to completely shut off the flow of oil. They do feel that they have slowed the leak significantly, but they can not yet determine how much, or whether it will stay closed.

That's the inside information I'm getting from people in the petroleum industry on another board. Some of the exact details may not be entirely accurate, but from what the oil people down in the Gulf are saying, that's the broad outline, and I'm getting it from people i know are connected down there and whom I consider to be pretty reliable. Several of them are actually working on the repair effort.

Edit: OK, after first saying this this morning -

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MOBILE, Ala. (WALA) - Oil spill update: BP official Jeff Childs says the company has been able to deploy a ram that clamps around the drill pipe at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. Childs says that maneuver has slowed the flow of oil in and around the pipe.

BP is now saying -

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CLARIFICATION ON GULF OF MEXICO OIL SPILL FLOW

BP would like to clarify that, contrary to some media reports, the actions it has taken to date on the blow out preventer have not resulted in any observed reduction in the rate of flow of oil from the MC252 well.

So I don't know what to believe. That last press release is about 15 minutes old. They've either slowed the rate of the leak, or they haven't. One or the other. Maybe they'll get their story straight sometime later today.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 5:36:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I don't care what side of the aisle you sit....If you have already slept through the alarm, this is another fucking wake up call!!!

How can we allow ourselves to be such poor stewards of these lands?....Drill baby drill!!

It is just sickening.

When you think of the planet as a Being, an individual like you and I, it really is so horrendous to be drilling holes in Her and taking out her needed guts and things. We need to stop exploiting anyone and anything. Jesus, it is 2010, let's pull it together now.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 5:53:03 PM

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The planet isn't alive, its a rock. And in the end? Its going to look a lot like Mars, no matter what we do.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I don't care what side of the aisle you sit....If you have already slept through the alarm, this is another fucking wake up call!!!

How can we allow ourselves to be such poor stewards of these lands?....Drill baby drill!!

It is just sickening.

When you think of the planet as a Being, an individual like you and I, it really is so horrendous to be drilling holes in Her and taking out her needed guts and things. We need to stop exploiting anyone and anything. Jesus, it is 2010, let's pull it together now.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 6:07:24 PM

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The planet isn't alive, its a rock. And in the end? Its going to look a lot like Mars, no matter what we do.

How extremely wrong you are.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/3/2010 6:10:18 PM

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Today I heard that the shear mechanism couldn't work because the drill pipe was within the riser; the mechanism sheared the outer pipe but couldn't handle the additional material.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/4/2010 6:07:29 AM

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Thats interesting information thornhappy, thank you for that. I wonder why the possibility of that occurring wasn't suitably accounted for?

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RE: BP responsible? - 5/4/2010 6:22:27 AM

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Heres a surprisingly good article from the Associated Press about the Obama administrations response to this disaster.

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SPIN METER: There since Day One? Maybe not

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLiUWM39KjSOCwqEl9nZDVncfSlgD9FFSJ8O0

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RE: BP responsible? - 5/4/2010 6:41:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Heres a surprisingly good article from the Associated Press about the Obama administrations response to this disaster.

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SPIN METER: There since Day One? Maybe not

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLiUWM39KjSOCwqEl9nZDVncfSlgD9FFSJ8O0

Why exactly is it a good article? How about for once you actually give an opinion and thought rather than just throwing up a link like Brain. Cause I can't find a point to the article except wasting bandwidth.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/4/2010 6:57:11 AM

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By the time this is over, the State of Louisiana will essentially own BP. This will cost them billions, maybe even into the tens of billions before it's over.

Actually BP is legally protected against huge losses. BP may have to pay for the containment and cleanup but their civil liability is capped at $75 million. There is a federal trust fund that can disperse an additional $1 billion. Look into the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund.

Just for comparison sake The completely wiped out, for this year at least, Louisiana oyster fishery is a $4 billion/year industry.

Bill Would Raise Bill on Oil Spill

President Obama keeps emphasizing how BP is on the hook for all the costs of the Gulf oil spill cleanup — that’s the law. But there’s huge potential gap in that law — it covers only up to $75 million in economic losses.

We don’t know the exact number, but that seems likely to be blown through just in the 10-day ban on fishing in a huge swath of the Gulf.

The answer, says New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez, is hiking the economic damage liability to $10 billion, a move he and Sens Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J) and Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) are pushing in a bill they will introduce later today.

It’s called the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act.

I'm not sure if this is too little too late. Even ignoring the question of whether this bill will have support there is the question of how you can apply it retroactively.

This is something else I found interesting. While BP's corporate mouthpieces were vowing to take financial responsibility for the spill their legal department was trying to get people to accept $5,000 settlements in exchange for a waiver of future liability.

BP Waivers Capped Liability Payments To Coastal Residents At $5000

Over the weekend, news emerged that BP was circulating settlement agreements among coastal residents of Alabama and possibly other states, essentially requiring that "people give up the right to sue in exchange for payment of up to $5,000," the Alabama Press-Register reported. Alabama's Attorney General Troy King protested and asked BP to stop distribution of the letters

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/4/2010 7:37:56 AM

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Very good point, pa.

Any Liberal who hasn't used energy today may feel free to cast the first stone.

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did you use any petroleum today?

if so- you share some of the blame.

Well it is early still but so far I have only used electricity that my solar pannels produce and cooked breakfast of methane produced from bio-waste...I may go to town today and I will drive my car that werx on waste veggie oil.
Do I have to get my own stones or are you supplying them?

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/5/2010 11:07:28 AM

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Rhetoric:

Gibbs: 'We will keep a boot on the throat' of BP (Video)

vs. action:

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Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

On top of that, the oil giant has spent millions each year on lobbying — including $15.9 million last year alone — as it has tried to influence energy policy.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

An Obama spokesman rejected the notion that the president took big oil money.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html#ixzz0n4z06Ess

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/5/2010 11:09:24 AM

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well, as much cash as Obama has raised from corporate sponsors, he must be doing something right, huh, Tom?

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/5/2010 12:22:33 PM

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It's funny how no matter where a Democrat raises funds its somehow a bad thing. Mean while we're all supposed to sit down and shut up while the GOP sucks at the teat of a lunatic felonious religious fanatic from Korea.

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