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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 6:47:35 PM   
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Bottles water might be good but might get boring, not that it isn't an option but I don't drink tap water, not in this city.


Do you have a Brita to filter your water? This is as good as bottle water and better for the environment.

Get some fresh mint, if you have a Middle Eastern or Mediterranean grocery store, they usually sell it in bunches and cheap, or you can grow it, it is not that fragile of an herb. Rinse it very well. Slice a well rinced lemon, put a few sprigs of mint and then pour the filtered water over it in another pitcher. 4 hours in the refrigerator and you'll have the most refreshing all natural water on the planet.

Mint-lemon ice water. When I make this and I have friends coming over, I have to make several batches as they just chug it down.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:00:22 PM   
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And yea, if you are having Beer for breakfast somethings wrong.




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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:08:42 PM   
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if you are having Beer for breakfast somethings wrong.



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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:13:29 PM   
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Do you have a Brita to filter your water? This is as good as bottle water and better for the environment.


The problem with those is that they are granulated charcoal, bacteria grow in the spaces between the granuals ...the solid carbon block is far better and will filter down to a half micron. If you put a five micron paper filter in front of the carbon block you will increase it's life a bunch.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:16:06 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:27:15 PM   
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Do you have a Brita to filter your water? This is as good as bottle water and better for the environment.


The problem with those is that they are granulated charcoal, bacteria grow in the spaces between the granuals ...the solid carbon block is far better and will filter down to a half micron. If you put a five micron paper filter in front of the carbon block you will increase it's life a bunch.


Thanks for the tip. The other key is to change the filter every 3 months!

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:30:18 PM   
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My response will have to be general because I didn't expect this thing to explode so quickly.

I do not take these things lightly, as it has to do with the quality of my life. First, I am going to see if I can get me one of those big bottles of water. Tomorrow at work if I work. If they have one I'll just pay for it and take it home. From there I will pour it in smaller bottles and put it in the fridge. After I see what happens the rest of the week, I figure I would start a week without. The only question here is really - should I get two of those big bottles to last a week ?

Now get this straight, I do not intend to ever quit forever. I am over 21 and I'll still do what I please, but I need to know if the effect of this everyday consumption is affecting me to a greater degree than I am aware. If so, I will have to change my behavior. However I will not quit cold turkey right this minute, whether able to or not. Everone I have known with liver problems incurred them AFTER stopping alcohol. What this says to me is that apparently the liver adapts over time. It gets used to it and sort of goes into shock when the working environment changes so drastically. That does not rule quitting out, but for me it will be a long term plan, and if the effects are indeed more than I recognize, the process will give the rest of me time to adapt as well.

Now, as for more physical needs, I seem to have to drink something carbonated when I get up. I get the feeling I want to burp, but after drinking even a couple of swigs then I burp and I am good to go for the day. Now, of course I am not drunk, I am going to work. But if I am to stay off beer for a time what now ? From what I recollect, your fast food places and all don't buy the Pepsi and Coke they sell. They buy the syrup and have a machine that crbonates the water and mixes it.

What if I got my hands on one of those and made my own soda ? Problem is at the moment I have no idea what such a setup costs, and I would suppose you need to replenish the CO2 tank. The bigger question is - this is artificially corbonated water, are there any negative health benefits in that, itself ? If not, all I would have to do is basically squeeze what I please, like lemons and limes or who knows what into it. I think I know someone I might be able to ask about this. This could open up alot of doors to other things that I am willing to drink that contain no alcohol or sweeteners.

Even after my period of abstinence, I no longer want to be "saturated" if that is true. I will simply have to adjust my habits. I also firmly believe that I have little or no psychological dependance on alcohol, and perhaps that is the real test. Sometimes when you are as crazy as I am you have to check to see if you are still sane :-)

Understand that I am serious about this, otherwise I would not waste your time.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:39:22 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 7:41:29 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 8:59:05 PM   
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OK, chlorine is a gas dissolved in the water, it is easily removable by heating. The flouride however is sodium chloride dissolved in the water and as a solid the only way to really remove it is by distillation, or maybe certain forms of reverse osmosis might work. Beyond the backyard mechanic so to speak.

I have now spoke to someone who knows the industry and I find that there is no big machine to carbonate water. The mixing happens in the nozzle usually, so just feeding that with the right things could work. I could use natural juices and shit (well not shit) and come up with a totally healthy concoction. I think the idea has potential. If it widens the possibilities for me to other things to drink than those containing alcohol I am for it. And I do agree that something is wrong. I am just figuring out how to solve the problem.

Interesting though, that the actual carbonation happens in the nozzle. I'll have to think on that. But is that harmful ? The person I talked to, incidentally, does not drink anything carbonated. Everyone is different, he can't stand it but I need it. I need to give out a good belch in the morning, and I don't think that's all that abnormal really. A carbonated beverage helps that along, so I do want to look into it.

This looks like one of those things that is going to cost me $$$. Although my buddy says they are already sold for home use, has no idea what they cost to buy or maintain. I'll find out. But is carbonated water harmful in and of itself or not ? The last thing I need is more problems.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 9:31:12 PM   
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Put down your Guinness. For it is made with piss of the Irish.

Try one of these on for size....

http://www.ratebeer.com/beerstyles/stout/6/

Or if your balls are a tad bit bigger one of these....

http://www.ratebeer.com/beerstyles/imperial-stout/24/


If you browse through rate beer you will find the best liquor stores and bars that provide craft beers in your area. I use guinness and budweiser to wash off my balls.

Treasure...If Firm enjoys a guinness serve the man up an Old Rasputin from North Coast Brewery. It's widely available. Baby steps...

Now if you can get Bell's Brewery stuff, well all of their stouts are unbelievable. Java Stout...Yum. more expensive, but you might never go back to the Guinness.

So just put around ratebeer.com, loads of info on not only what's available but there is also a lot of good info on brewing your own.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/4/2010 10:57:46 PM   
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I like my beer.

So at this point I am looking for something else because one has to drink something.



Term,

make a few trips to the scrap yard and get a couple kegs to use for kettles and cut the tops off.  (dont by that tinny cheap shit they sell now days) 

You can build yourself a 3g brewery for well under 200 bucks.

Then after you get your new toys ready go out and buy the  quality 6 row grains from germany, never use the sugars or syrups, then make yourself a good double decoction marzan. 

You will extract every last oz of flavor and you will be able to adjust it well below 4% alcohol and still have an incredibly robust full bodied beer that is is better than any of the premiums you can buy off the shelf here.   Well with a couple exceptions maybe.

The bad thing about off the shelf beer is they filter out all the proteins.  If your beer isnt foggy it aint not good man!

If you never tried it go to a beer tasting festival someone will have a marzan out there.  once bitten.....


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 4:48:34 AM   
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Its one thing to insult our tea, but it is another to insult our King of beer.  I for one will stand for no part of it.  When the Brits can make something as good as Jack Daniel's then you can criticize. 


"King of Beer"!? My goodness. Budweiser is like rainwater that someone, fresh from drinking real beer, just took a piss in. The reason its served chilled is to reduce the taste as far as possible so that drinkers dont catch on. The Czechs are furious at the defamation involved, I can tell you.

Yet there is hope for the US as I understand from Domi and that anteater guy, with the discovery of something that must surely approximate closer to real beer, given their enthusiasm. This is good news indeed.

Jack Daniels is alright - but we have better. We keep it for ourselves, realising that any country that thinks Budweiser is good beer and chooses to adulterate its liquor with all manner of fizzy horrors just wouldnt appreciate it.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 5:28:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hahahaha, LE, you hit it in one about Budweiser, it is putrid ! I have always held that any beverage you have to chill down to drink does so because it tastes crap, Fosters Ice in this country is a good example. Anyways the act of drinking an ice cold liquid when the body is hot is dangerous, for it can cause shock to the heart. Warm beer is the way to go, beer at room temperature so one can admire the real taste of a decent beer, of which the Ales only count as. JackDaniels, I can't stand the stuff, it's popularity in this country I believe comes from rock bands and such, well at least it was with my former step son, who eagerly followed Kerrang for the latest rock fad.

But in regards to T's question, I am at that point too, I need to find a satisfying beverage that is not ale or coffee, and I have tried filtered water, water filtered through silver impregnated ceramic and solid carbon filters, it does remove the chemical taste and smell, but water I have never been a fan of. Tea, well, well, not my drink really


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 10:07:56 AM   
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OK, the whole point here is not to switch beer, but to eliminate it for a time. Subsequently consumption will be intermittent. All kidding aside I have a good reason to do this.

Believe it or not I thought my lifestyle wasn't all that bad. Beer never hurt me before but it had a detrimental effect on my driving record. I have managed to mainly stay out of trouble but I doubt I'll have another license. I've slipped through the cracks. The other day the Woman got out of the hospital - late Saturday. Well, I take care of my friends and said OK, I need to go out and get the usual, beer cigs or tobacco and whatever. So her olman and I take the scrip but every pharmacy closeby was closed. I was even willing to pay for it. But we never got there.

We had the address wrong, he's on the cell getting the address and I hear 22XX Ridge road in Parma. There is no such address. Found out it was on Brookpark road. So at night we are trying to get an address to figure out where this damn place is. Basically I got stopped for doing 30 in a 35. I had been napping and hence only had a couple.

Now I used to play that game, I knew the rules and had the right people as well as the money to take care of things like this. The rules have now changed. I have managed somehow not to have any major problems since 1996, but last Saturday it happened. Now I don't have the slush fund, and even with it my chances are slim and none and slim left town.

My major point of consternation is the breathalyzer. Every other time I refused, except once. My lawyers usually did a fantastic job for me, resulting in four first offenses. Even when I wrecked into another car I could get community service, and this from a judge who's daughter was killed by a drunk driver. Mr. Slick for sure.

Well Mr. Slick just ran up on something like a brick wall. This time I took the test. I was quite confident that I would blow borderline or slightly under the limit. I was goddam lucky it wasn't a felony charge because now they go back twenty years. But it wasn't so I blew. I blew a 191 which is over double the legal limit. Blowing over 170 is a super DUI.

But understand this - I was quite confident that I was OK blowing. I knew how much I drank, and with my body weight it should have come in alot lower. Unless my system is saturated with it. That is the only explaination, unless the machine is wrong.

So now I have legal problems which are of course not your problem. That is not the point. That reading, even if it is half ass accurate indicates that some of my assumption may be wrong. I must know and that is why I am going to stop for a time. I never said I was going to quit, but I might if the benefits are clear because quite frankly, I like beer. My friends and family could tell you that I really rarely get drunk, at least in outward appearance.

This all assumes that I don't go to jail tomorrow. They couldn't find any warrants Saturday night and Mr. Slick got the hell out of there without posting bail, which most people find hard to believe, but I did get that over. However that trooper did look right at me and say if I don't show up he will be at my door to come and get me. I tend to believe him, because they have a different attitude than say, a city cop. If they "find" the warrants for all the shit I've blown off in the last fifteen years I will be away. I am preparing for that eventuality today.

But if I am really that saturated with alcohol it is not only a surprise to me, it is something that deserves my attention. This is more important than my legal problems. At best, if I can schmooze this over and do the best I am looking at six days of my life and about a grand. That's at the very best I could do. A good lawyer could be more apt to make it happen that way but I can no longer afford those high priced mouthpieces. I'll just do the best I can with it.

But the health issues are very important. If the beer is hurting me it can go the way of sugar, HFCS, regular table salt and those things hydrogenated or hydrolysed. If it's that bad, I see no problem stopping but I will do it gradually so as not to shock my liver. The last thing I need is more problems.

The physical problems must be addressed. People can't believe that I got out of there the same night without bail, and that I got my car back Monday. Yes Mr. Slick did OK, but Mr. Slick might get bit in the ass as well. And I don't even know the worst. A regular DUI can get you off of a grand and six months. And I am goddam lucky not to be charged with a felony.

But in perspective, my health is still more important. I am not afraid of this, but I do have a bad case of caritis right now. Maybe I should just sell the damn thing and deal with it.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 12:33:03 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 12:43:24 PM   
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Beer, will get you thru times of no beer, way better than no beer will get you thru times of no beer.



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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 1:12:47 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 2:54:24 PM   
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Budweiser is like rainwater that someone, fresh from drinking real beer, just took a piss in.


So would that make Miller Light, like the piss from the guy who then drank the rainwater. Because I have to tell you compared to Miller, Bud is actually drinkable.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 2:56:13 PM   
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