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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 3:41:10 PM   
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 3:42:50 PM   
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T - What is your beer of choice?  Does it vary by time of day? season? etc....

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 3:45:13 PM   
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Feel good film of the century.

Unfortunately I don't think Termy is going to be able to find his own Elizabeth Shue.

What's aileen doing for the next couple of weeks?

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 3:53:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP.

Alcoholism is a disease, frequently genetic. You've spoken about your father's excessive alcohol usage, you inherited alcoholism from him.



Yes, everything is a disease so we really don't have to take any responsibility for our actions anymore.

Someone drinks too much because they have the disease of alcoholism which was genetically inherited.

Someone smokes too much because they have the disease of nicotine addiction.

Someone is obese because they have the disease of food addiction.

Someone fucks everything in sight because they have the disease of sexual addiction.

I'm waiting for someone to create a website so we can all be cured of  the disease of computer addiction.

I spend way too much time on this computer, but it's really not my fault, I have a disease.







I work with people that have alcohol and drug addictions every day. The recharacterization to it being a disease, I have found helps them substantially to understand it's LIFELONG effects. It doesn't hold them unaccountable, quite the contrary, it demonstrates to them that even if they have been clean and sober for awhile, then can NEVER go back because it is a disease that is lifelong.

Term I wish you luck. I know many intelligent people that have hesitated to go into organized therapy because they felt it wouldn't work for them. I think it is true that you will need a therapist that really can relate to you intellectually and a group that can as well. They are out there. I know many attorneys, doctors, scientists, teachers, professors, etc that are recovering alcoholics and in recovery groups for people of like minds. You are unlikely to be able to walk this road alone, no matter how hard you try or how motivated you are. We all need someone there to sometimes tell us we are just kidding ourselves. The beauty of it is, as everyone here has demonstrted, you are not alone...take that step and find some help, I think you'll be suprised of the quality of people there are out there to help you.

Good luck!


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 3:55:45 PM   
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I swear to heavily pigmented  Jesus I am going to seek out the Termyn8or and drink beer with him.

T -You can go on the wagon.... if you want...... till June 1st. 

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 7:39:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL. First of all I am not all that bad. I am exploring the effects of the constant ingestion, and have already stated that I do not ever intend to quit completely.

The whole idea here is to make drinking again an occasion, rather than popping a sixpack every day after work. You come over and I can pretty much guarantee it will not be the usual experience. But really, there are plenty of good reasons this is not a tourist trap. They used to say that Cleveland rolled up the sidewalks at eight PM.

Even if I do stop, I reserve the right to do whatever the hell I please. So a few mugs will not be a problem. I drink Busch, which some people call pisswater, but I drink it because of the low alcohol. When I go to the bar I usually drink Bud, equally disgusting to some. It runs like 5-5.5% alcohol. So I only have a few and get my ass home. Usually I walk to the bar, and like I said they let you smoke there.

T

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:03:31 AM   
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ree than
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
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Now get this straight, I do not intend to ever quit forever. I am over 21 and I'll still do what I please, but I need to know if the effect of this everyday consumption is affecting me to a greater degree than I am aware. If so, I will have to change my behavior. However I will not quit cold turkey right this minute, whether able to or not. Everone I have known with liver problems incurred them AFTER stopping alcohol. What this says to me is that apparently the liver adapts over time. It gets used to it and sort of goes into shock when the working environment changes so drastically. That does not rule quitting out, but for me it will be a long term plan, and if the effects are indeed more than I recognize, the process will give the rest of me time to adapt as well. ...

From what I know, liver filters some alcohol and, whatever more you have that it cannot handle that fast, goes into your blood stream and gets you drunk. Over time your brain adapts more to alcohol than your liver - brain learns how to work while being impaired, but liver is still working overtime as usual. Main point here is that if you are constantly drunk or buzzed, it means that your liver never gets rest and never gets a chance to clear out toxins out of itself. It might be a good idea to give few days of rest to your liver every now and then (still have to watch what you eat/drink besides alcohol).


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:05:01 AM   
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I am DOMINATE!!!!! My liver does NOT decide how much it can take.

My liver has no safe word!

My liver.... is My bitch!

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:10:15 AM   
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he should quit the booze or crash into said tree ASAP
spare innocent bystanders his idea of "freewill"
he is a pathetic, reckless individual - and as born a loser as one can imagine!

die well - in flames, ideally.
cunt.
oh and to whoever shot him - encore!!!!

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:19:13 AM   
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I need to know if the effect of this everyday consumption is affecting me to a greater degree than I am aware.


The effects that you are looking for may not present for a while. How will a brief abstinence clue you in to what is going on with your liver? Will you be monitoring your blood sugar levels to see how your pancreas is functioning? How are you going to know the BUN/Createnine levels (impurities from the blood) that your kidneys are filtering?

Will you consider going to a doctor (i feel the need to duck and run when i say that) to have bloodwork drawn to test the functioning of your organs? Perhaps even go twice...once at the start of your abstinence and then when you end it.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:23:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SaintIntensity

somewhere there is a tree with Termy's name on it

he should quit the booze or crash into said tree ASAP
spare innocent bystanders his idea of "freewill"
he is a pathetic, reckless individual - and as born a loser as one can imagine!

die well - in flames, ideally.
cunt.
oh and to whoever shot him - encore!!!!

Term is a good man, which is why so many are standing behind him.

What a pathetic person you must be to make a statement such as that.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:24:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll share what my doctor told me a few years back.

Yes, the liver regenerates. However, each time, there's a tiny error. Also, there is a limit. No one knows where it is for a given individual, but once reached, that's it. As holly points out, the liver is a non-complaining organ. There's no way to judge its health without blood work. And that says nothing about its future health.

Additionally, the list of alcohol related problems is staggering. The liver is the tip of the iceberg.

When alcohol problems become apparent--it's very late to address them.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 8:26:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

The liver is evil and must be punished!


I am DOMINATE!!!!! My liver does NOT decide how much it can take.

My liver has no safe word!

My liver.... is My bitch!


Liver and onions, with a few beers, priceless.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 9:00:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

My apologies to all the Guinness drinkers of CM....

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

What about Guinness?  Firm swears it isn't beer, that is it good for you, and I can tell you it isn't the least bit sweet!  
Neither is motor oil, but would you drink it, and if you did, would you be able to tell the difference.



Edited to add:

Ohhh... I forgot to add that it is definitely dark, too. 
See above comment




Guinness will purify your soul.

And if you only want it half purified you can drink a black and tan.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 9:18:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Yes, everything is a disease so we really don't have to take any responsibility for our actions anymore.

Someone drinks too much because they have the disease of alcoholism which was genetically inherited.

Someone smokes too much because they have the disease of nicotine addiction.

Someone is obese because they have the disease of food addiction.

Someone fucks everything in sight because they have the disease of sexual addiction.

I'm waiting for someone to create a website so we can all be cured of  the disease of computer addiction.

I spend way too much time on this computer, but it's really not my fault, I have a disease.







I work with people that have alcohol and drug addictions every day. The recharacterization to it being a disease, I have found helps them substantially to understand it's LIFELONG effects. It doesn't hold them unaccountable, quite the contrary, it demonstrates to them that even if they have been clean and sober for awhile, then can NEVER go back because it is a disease that is lifelong.

Term I wish you luck. I know many intelligent people that have hesitated to go into organized therapy because they felt it wouldn't work for them. I think it is true that you will need a therapist that really can relate to you intellectually and a group that can as well. They are out there. I know many attorneys, doctors, scientists, teachers, professors, etc that are recovering alcoholics and in recovery groups for people of like minds. You are unlikely to be able to walk this road alone, no matter how hard you try or how motivated you are. We all need someone there to sometimes tell us we are just kidding ourselves. The beauty of it is, as everyone here has demonstrted, you are not alone...take that step and find some help, I think you'll be suprised of the quality of people there are out there to help you.

Good luck!



To begin, I have problems with someone who tells me they are an expert in their field but has serious spelling issues.

Sort of limits credibility.

From what I have seen the majority of substance abuse counselors are people who have had their own substance abuse problems.

Then they go to their local community college and get certified as a substance abuse counselor with minimal training and  a preconceived mindset that a user is automatically an abuser by  virtue of the fact they use.






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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 9:29:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		rule, you seem awfully defensive on this issue.

Why? No one here is on your case--have other people been calling you on overindulging? I ask because you seem to have a lot of counterarguments at the ready for points that haven't been raised, and that suggests an argument going on in your head.

As far as I'm concerned---go for it. Drink up.

Problem solved (unless you see a problem).


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 9:31:55 AM   
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From what I have seen, the majority of substance abuse counselors are people who have had their own substance abuse problems.
I have not seen that, nor do i have any stats on the number of substance abuse counselors that have had addiction issues. If you have those numbers, i would be very interested to have the link.
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Then they go to their local community college and get certified as substance abuse counselors with minimal training and preconceived mindset that a user is automatically an abuser by the fact they use.
I do not know what their training consists of...nor do i know their mindset. I also have never had the impression that any counselor feels that simply because one uses a substance, one abuses it. Please provide the link.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 9:57:31 AM   
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rule, you seem awfully defensive on this issue.

Why? No one here is on your case--have other people been calling you on overindulging? I ask because you seem to have a lot of counterarguments at the ready for points that haven't been raised, and that suggests an argument going on in your head.

As far as I'm concerned---go for it. Drink up.

Problem solved (unless you see a problem).


Then let me explain.

I had a DUI when I was younger, and by younger I mean a few months after I was able to drink legally.

I was first referred by the court to a substance abuse facility.  There I was evaluated by someone with practically no training who decided that my DUI coupled with my coffee drinking  meant that I had an addictive personality and an alcohol problem.

Based on that I was court ordered to attend a number of AA meetings until I insisted on a meeting with her supervisor who was a board certified psychologist in substance abuse who reversed her findings formally to the court.

The AA meetings were absolutely amazing.  I refused to stand up and say "my name is RML and I'm an alcoholic".  But any refusal to brand yourself as a member of the cult gets greeted with "you are in denial".

It's a no win situation. 

But the thing that bothered me most was all the weeping and moaning.  Everyone gets up and tells how they screwed up their lives but it really wasn't their fault.

It was because they were powerless over alcohol.

So explain to me how this is a positive and empowering experience to say that you have no control unless you submit to the will of a higher power.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 10:05:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you had a negative experience. Younger, full of attitude, you ran into some victim mentality people (sure, AA has them, just as CM has them), and staked out your posture.

What do you want from me?

Facing a difficult problem and solving it with the help of others who get it is not such a horrible thing. Nor is making friends and enjoying life with such people.

So you're stuck on the "higher power" thing. Guess what? Lots of people are. Don't worry about it.

Personally? I think a little humility here and there is a useful reminder.

But from there to your righteous jihad is a problem you own, not anyone else, then or now.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/10/2010 10:09:03 AM   
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But the thing that bothered me most was all the weeping and moaning. Everyone gets up and tells how they screwed up their lives but it really wasn't their fault.
I am fairly certain most of the tears are genuine, as is the support. You say you do not have an alcohol problem and thats a good thing, but there are many others who do and AA works for them. For heavens sake..if they are driven to tears, let them cry without criticism.

As far as "it really wasn't their fault"...one of the steps in working a successful program is accepting responsibility. Some accept responsibility and some do not.


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