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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 3:10:21 PM   
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You don't need to quit drinking.You need to quit driving.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 3:12:36 PM   
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I dont think its so cool that Termy is coping to DUIS and all people can talk about is Beer. He obviously has a problem and its greater than he even he can admit to.

You have a real drinking problem and you are an alcoholic and need to quit permanantely before it costs you more.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 3:57:19 PM   
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If you want a plain carbonated water, then buy seltzer because that's what it is.

About your friends developing liver problems after they quit, nope. They didn't quit until it was too late. They didn't have the liver tests until after they quit. They quit for other reasons, like court orders.

Alcoholism is a disease, frequently genetic. You've spoken about your father's excessive alcohol usage, you inherited alcoholism from him.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 5:33:17 PM   
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If you want a plain carbonated water, then buy seltzer because that's what it is.


Orrrrr for variety, flavoured seltzer.  Lots of choice and not overly sweet.

Good for you Termy I'm proud of you!


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 7:14:42 PM   
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If you want a plain carbonated water, then buy seltzer because that's what it is.


How about Perrier, San Pelligrino, Eska? They are carbonated mineral water. Refreshing.

Some now come in sodium free which is excellent. In Canada, we have President's Choice Mineral Water - Lightly Carbonated (Sodium Free). It is amazing.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/5/2010 9:21:12 PM   
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You people are nucking futs. I come in here wanting a substitute for beer and people are saying to get "better" beer ? Sure, that'll fucking work. I do see a problem and I want to figure out the nature of the problem, so to be able to solve it.

Tomorrow if TSHTF I could be gone for up to a year. Fucking happy now ? I don't think it will happen but I know it is possible. And this whole thread would be for naught, but then someone else might get something out of it.

And for those who claim shitty tasting beer is chilled to quell the taste, well I don't do that. My beer sits on the kitchen floor and rarely if ever goes into the fridge. In the really hot season, well yes, I don't like it piss warm. But I don't chill it. Even chilled, I get it out and it might sit for a time.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 1:23:34 AM   
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I like my beer ....

Bottles water might be good but might get boring, not that it isn't an option but I don't drink tap water, not in this city.

Be aware that what I seek is something that tastes half decent but is not sweet nor alcolohic.



A man after my own heart ....

I love beer too .... the girly stuff ... never makes it for me ... and don't even mention tea ... or water ... I won't touch it unless it is from the tap ....

I live in Michigan ... they put our tap water in the bottle and sell it to you ... so why pay a premium?

LABATT BLUE - NON ALCOHOLIC - MALT BEVERAGE -- is your answer

Am sipping a bottle as I write this post ...

You have to look for it a bit here in the States ...

I found a party store to special order it for me ... and the pub gets it for me too. But the manager at the pub recommended it originally ... when I had the same question you do. I just promise them to liquidate the order over a certain time frame ... and .. they stay in stock ... unless I drink more than I promise! LOL

After the first sip ... it tastes normal ... and you can drink the case !!!!!!!!!!!! And be sober at the end of the night! LOL ...

And half the time ... get all the drunk ladies ... no .. don't want to go there ..

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 1:28:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomImus

You don't need to quit drinking.You need to quit driving.



quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

You have a real drinking problem and you are an alcoholic and need to quit permanantely before it costs you more.


Dump the rest of that can down the drain right now and stay alive.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 2:17:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

but I don't drink tap water, not in this city.



Don't know why not?

I was at a yacht club in Eastlake, right on Lake Erie, two years ago. The people were coming off their boats with limit Walleye catches (That's pickerel on your restaurant menu).

And they were telling me they were catching Steelhead (rainbow trout) and Salmon a couple weeks before.

If you know anything about those fish ... they don't live in polluted water.

So assuming Cleveland's water treatment plant meets federal standards, there is no reason not to drink the tap water.

Still ... i recommend ...

LABATT BLUE - NON ALCOHOLIC - MALT BEVERAGE

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 3:08:04 AM   
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The best substitute for beer is.....beer.
And then have a glass of red wine or some Jack.
That is all.

Edited after reading the replies....water with lemon squeezed in it. Refreshing, vitamin C and cleansing for the body.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 4:08:31 AM   
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Term. Something you might try is Kava. It is a Polynesian medicine/ceremony drink, that gives you a mild buzz, without impairment. It is a drink that has the social aspects of drinking alcohol, but won't give you a DUI.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/6/2010 4:37:11 AM   
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ld, telling an addict to substitute heroin for meth, for example, is not helpful. He doesn't need another intoxicating substance and if it gives you a buzz, then you shouldn't drive on it because you could still kill someone.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/7/2010 4:33:23 AM   
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Des, thats not true in anyway. Kava does not impair a person. It is not the same sort of buzz at all. Caffine from Tea produces a buzz. Kava is not a depressant of any sort, like alcohol.

Go to an AA meeting, and they are Chain smoking cigs before and after (another drug that gives you a buzz).

Obviously, everyone should live on Brown Rice and veggies and pure water, with no drugs or spices or sweetners of any kind. Almost no one does. Substituting is sometimes the realistic choice.


Kava is a social drink that encourages talkitiveness and mental clarity, and a sense of well being. And it makes your mouth numb. It makes Females relax and giggle. Children have drunk it for thousands of years with no ill effects.

Sure all ex drinkers should drink filtered rain water, but many find Kava to be a great substitute. There is a lot more to drinking than just the consumption of the Alcohol. That's why people like it so much. And there is nothing wrong with enjoying the social rituals of drinking. It brings people together and fosters community. Drunk Driving is horrendous

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/7/2010 6:54:02 PM   
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Flavored fizzy water, you can find it in a grocery store.

Won't by aaaaaany problems with below-par belching, I speak from experience.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/8/2010 7:07:10 PM   
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I've only read this last page of responses right now.  Thanks to all with helpful ideas here.

However last night I found a quite unacceptable beer substitute. It was whiskey, scotch actually. It quite illustrated the difference between the times I want to be drunk and the times I do not. Quite vividly in fact.

It was Friday night and I was finally back to work. I couldn't think until after court. After my mind settled a bit I can work so I did. I showed up early and had a productive day, so much so that my last half hour was spent "cleaning up" my work area. If I'd have driven to work I probably would've left early because I literally did all the work. But it was time anyway.

Afterwards I come home to the usual crowd. I get the usual case of beer, then my sinister walks in with another case of beer. The Woman decides to drink :-) In the beginning my Mother and sinister didn't really like the Woman, seeing her as a freeloader and such, but they didn't realize just what she does for me. She does pretty much earn her keep. Now the Woman and my sinister are practically inseparable.

Now partially joking, if my baseline BAC is actually 0.191 I need a booster to handle these drunk broads, really. So I bust out the scotch. The Woman had a shot. I purposely lost my keys, I'll get around to finding them later. So I drank the remainder of the scotch and we had a good time, really. Her olman also celebrated, and I think he did some coke, I can tell by the tone of his voice. But with the help of my family and I, and his boss, collectively we got him out of jail and his license back. There was some reason to celebrate. He got paid, and paid some money back to our "slush fund" as per agreement.

His right to a bit of that substance he likes is equal to my right to drink that whiskey. And he drank some as well. He had lived here for about a month or so before he would touch a beer. He actually said that every time he gets drunk he has problems. But the one night a while back he went ahead. He found that part of his problem was the environment in which he drank. Though only occasionally, he is confident that he is not going to go nuts. And he didn't. We gathered everything we needed and nobody drove anywhere. Nobody even went anywhere. My car is right there and he now has a company supplied vehicle. We are in our forties and as I see it, even intoxicated we must keep some degree of common sense about us.

There was no trouble. The only thing we did that could be consideed wrong is to jam the tunes untio fout AM. Maybe longer. Yup, the amp fan was on high last night.

So the end result of this night of drunk ass hillbillies is thus : I slept half the day away, her olman is at work. Other guy is making me cigarettes with a machi9ne which are just as good as store boughtens, saving me thousands of dollars a year. All is quiet. I hd realized that my collection was missing a crucial song (Van Halen - Ain't Talkin Bout Love) and I haven't even looked, but P2P picked it up in about fifteen seconds. It is still running and I'll see later what else it caught.

All is quiet now. Nobody is in jail or anything. A couple of years ago my Mother called me on Jan 02, and asked who was in jail after the party. When I replied "Nobody" she said that we are getting old. We both cracked up, if I am getting old what is she getting ?

But the whole point is that I made a concious decision to get drunk, and the worst thing that happened is that I got on a high horse and fucked up the census guy thread. The point of this thread is still valid, I will stop for a time and see how it is. If I have indeed been walking around in a fog these last years, I want to know. If I cannot cope with life without it I want to know. If I have limitations I want to know them intimately and will admit them here, as well as everywhere. To me ignorance is a form of insanity, so that is my impetus.

That ticket last week means nothing to me except for that one number on it - .191. The census thread, I wish I could edit it and take out the extraneous bullshit, but it is of course too late. Once responded to it must stand, let that be a lesson to me.

If I am wrong I will admit it, but only after I am convinced that I was wrong. If this thread meanders into alcohol consumption and such related issues, so be it.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/8/2010 7:59:32 PM   
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The point of this thread is still valid, I will stop for a time and see how it is.


Sadly, no you won't - not on your own anyway, and not until you see  and accept that you are an alcoholic. That you see whiskey as an acceptable substitute for beer is scary to put it mildly.  All you did was replace one kind of alcohol with another.

If you are serious, please check out the link to AA my Master posted on the other thread and get help.

ETA Here's the link, please use it 
http://www.aa.org/?Media=PlayFlash


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/8/2010 9:16:21 PM   
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1.  get a portable breathalyzer gadget, and use it.

2.  cops pull people over and Fri/Sat- and late night- so dont drive then.

3. water- drink it

4.  if you are not feeling well being- then check your diet- get rid of processed foods- maybe get a multi vitamin.

5.  what do you want?   you seem to both want to drink and not drink- you must decide.

6. cutting back likely would help your health- why not go for a walk and get endorphins going.


But to answer your question- drink water.   Our grocer has it where you bring a jug- it is $0.35 a gallon.. and there is no fluoride in it.

7.  get you household under control.   If you take to flop house option- then that will be your outcome-


Have a nice glass of water.

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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 5:51:02 AM   
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"That you see whiskey as an acceptable substitute for beer is scary to put it mildly. "
 
Hold the hell om here, that is EXACTLY what I did not say. I was being facetious. Is your sarcasm detector out of alignment or something ?
 
The point was that for a change I DID actually decide to get drunk. Normally I don't want to, and that is the whole reason for this thread.
 
I don't see how that's so hard to understand.
 
There have been times in history when people would only drink wine, beer, mead, or whatever, and that was mainly because the water was no good. You accuse me of what now ? Prevarication ? Rationalization ?
 
Well if I didn't want to find out for sure if it is possibly that, all I had to do was to keep my fucking mouth shut and go into politics. None of you need know any details of my life really.
 
If I do have a problem it must be proven to me to my satisfaction. The experiment will proceed and provide evidence one way or the other.
 
And I have already said, and firmly KNOW that no rehab program will work for me. Can I send you a mail I sent someone else outlining a bit more about my background, I don't feel like typing it again and some of it I don't want in public.
 
But suffice it to say I have made progress, all I need to know is if I have to go a bit further.
 
Scotch whiskey as a substitute for beer, where the hell is your sense of humor ?
 
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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 6:38:08 AM   
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There is a lot more to drinking than just the consumption of the Alcohol. That's why people like it so much. And there is nothing wrong with enjoying the social rituals of drinking. It brings people together and fosters community. Drunk Driving is horrendous


Unless, like the op, you are an alcoholic. Drunk driving is not the only problem it causes. Permanent brain damage is also a problem. Alcoholic dementia.

And the way you describe kava sounds like cocaine. Which is not something I recommend for people to use daily.


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RE: Beer substitute ? - 5/9/2010 8:47:43 AM   
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I wasn't attacking you, Term, I was taking your post at face value. The trouble with online is the lack of facial expressions, which is why it's useful to use smileys when you are joking around.

All that being said, you do have a drinking problem, I see in you all the same excuses my ex - an alcoholic - used to make ie "looking for a substitute" " getting ready to quit" etc.  You know what Term, he's dead, alcohol finally killed him.  I can also see that you aren't ready to quit despite your claims to the contrary.


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