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Aylee -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 2:14:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How the fuck is celebrating a Mexican cultural holiday in a school with a large percentage of Mexican students come under the heading of "forced"? Okay Mike, I will bite. Did this school put up an Irish flag on March 17th? Was the administration on the look out for anyone wearing US flag apparel that day? The schools are required to use the term "Winter Break" as opposed to "Christmas Break" because there are those that do not celebrate Christmas. Well, there are those that do not celebrate Cinco de Mayo or St. Patrick's Day either. Wearing flag apparel should not be seen by anyone as "incitement to riot."

thishereboi -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 2:20:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Why is this day so improtant in the US besides it being another excuse to drink? Perhaps Mexican-American heritage and traditions are different to Mexican traditions? I'm guessing here-I'm English, I know next to nothing about either culture, but second/third generation British Asians aren't cookie-cutter identical to those born in Pakistan or India, for example-which is what you seem to be expecting to happen here. This thread seems odd from where I'm sitting-if students in England did the same thing (used the Union Jack as a symbol of aggression) I suspect there would be eye-rolling and not much else-but few posters on this thread seem to be making a distinction between wearing a flag as a celebration and an affirmation of culture ('this is who we are'-good) and wearing the flag as a symbol of aggression ('this is who you aren't'-not so good). I'm chalking it up to your much greater sense of patriotism-one of the reasons I'm pretty sure I'll never understand Americans in the generic. What makes you think they wore the shirt out of aggression? Would you have thought the same thing, if they had worn the shirts another day? Maybe if you didn't think of Americans in the generic, you would understand them more?

mnottertail -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 2:22:16 PM)
I do like Modelo Negra, if that helps anybody.

CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 3:09:53 PM)
I need to make a distinction here. I would never take an American flag (the fabric actually having been used to make a flag that hangs on a flag pole) and cut it up to make clothing. Fabric other than that is fair game. I love my country, and have been collecting different types of American flag fabric for years and someday I will start working on that "America" quilt I've been planning. In the meantime, I've made two dresses with American flags...I wear them whenever I'm feeling patriotic as well as on the 4th of July. Yes, with a sort of matching American flag hat and purse, etc. Over the years, my family has bought many American flag tee-shirts, bumper stickers, keychains, wallets (found one at Claire's at the mall years ago, a flag was shaped like a heart), and I even have a CD I sometimes listen to while reading the message boards at CM...one of the songs is an old favorite called God Bless The USA, by Lee Greenwood. I can understand why some kids wore their shirts to school...only about 40% of the school was hispanic, why can't the other 60% be proud to be American? I think it's funny that one boy was hispanic...he might have been here legally and prefers to wear his new country's flag than show any bonds with a country he doesn't live in. (It's not like Cinco de Mayo was about a Mexican/American war, and people were going to school with something like "Remember the Alamo" shirts on a Mexican holiday.) My ex-bf was from Trinidad, he became a legal American citizen even before I met him...and it was his love of that song I mentioned earlier that made it my favorite. Of all the personal details and memories I've [;)] forgotten, it's amusing that I remember him playing God Bless The USA again and again. I would feel humiliated to have to wear my shirt inside out while in school, as if I had done something wrong or was ashamed to be caught wearing that shirt and what it stands for. Since when are flags considered akin to wearing gang colors? I'm still trying to get over the school...disrespecting our American flag enough to take it down...and put up a Mexican flag in it's place. This is not inflammatory, but a shirt is? Also, we're not blind sheep. These boys did right to refuse and go home. It used to be something taught in schools actually, the subject of civil disobedience. Long time ago, we all had to study Henry David Thoreau's work while in high school, and took weeks discussing it. quote: Thoreau's Civil Disobedience espouses the need to prioritize one's conscience over the dictates of laws. If this were the 70's, there'd be a sit down over this. [:D] Just a flash from the past here but...when I was in school in California, we had St. Patrick's Day, but nobody was tossed out for wearing the Union Jack on a t-shirt. We also had "Backwards Day", but we didn't put our flag on the pole upside down to celebrate...and nobody actually got sent home for NOT walking backward. Btw, I couldn't get any videos, my computer is a brat, so I had to go by things I read in those links. If I missed anything important, my apologies. [;)]

Marini -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 3:33:45 PM)
I agree with what CynthiaW wrote! It's okay to wear the shirts with American flags on it, but NOT on Cinco De Mayo Day? I agree with the need to organize sit-downs and protests. At what point will we have to meet in secret to wave the flag? Is this still the United States of America? What gets me is the fact that they ARE allowed to wear the shirts, just NOT on that one day. Either you are allowed to wear the shirts whenever you want, or the shirts should not be allowed at all. So, they can wear those shirts whenver they like, EXCEPT on Cinco De Mayo Day??????

rulemylife -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 3:38:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I'm wondering how many of the Mexican students at that school are here illegally ?? I'm wondering if you're here illegally. We haven't ever seen your birth certificate posted on this site. What are you hiding?

Cuffkinks -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 5:48:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen To me, the people defying real authority is the school that bowed to the perceived racial pressure and took the American flag down outside of the school and put the Mexican flag up. You want to have a problem with people not respecting authority...don't get mad at the kids who weren't breaking any rules, get mad at the "authorities" that were imposing unjust and arbitrary rules without warning. boi This is even more troubling to me. I guess they were trying to keep the peace that way too. Ridulous.

Vendaval -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 6:47:23 PM)
If you watch the news story till the end the school board disagreed with the school vice principle and told the students and their families that their clothing would be allowed. (The headband is not allowed by school policy in general) I don't agree with the vice principle's decision. The shirts did not have any violent or sexual content and did not have words attacking any individual or group. Some Hispanic students did complain about the patriotic clothing but no fights were reported. However, if security and potential fighting was an issue I can understand how school administration might make such a decision.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 7:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How the fuck is celebrating a Mexican cultural holiday in a school with a large percentage of Mexican students come under the heading of "forced"? Keep your bridge...at this point,after reading some of your more recent posts....I don't think you could sell me water in a desert. OK... time for a history lesson. It is NOT a Mexican cultural holiday. The Country of Mexico does not recognize it at a holiday, Mexico City and the other 30 Mexican States do not recognize it as a holiday, only the state of Puebla does. It is a festival, celebrating a "victory" of Mexican forces (it was really a draw btw) against French forces in The Battle of Puebla in 1862. Of course, the French didn't go home. They reinforced, marched on and later installed, with the help of Mexican Monarchist, an Austrian Arch Duke as Emperor of Mexico. The Brave and valiant stand of the Mexican forces while slowing down the French, really didn’t do much in the long run but the Mexican State of Puebla, would always remember her defenders and fallen sons. See the United States was too busy fighting something called The Civil War and couldn't stop the French. Well...the Civil War didn't last forever and that evil United States that stole all that land, well...Napoleon III saw the writing on the wall...the greatest Army the world had ever know, battle tested and looking for something to united the Nation looked south. The French, as the do best... bugged out. The United States, in the wake of its President’s death and the French beating feet, "lost" entire arsenals along the Mexican/U.S. border and the anti Monarch forces who “found” these arms defeated the Monarchists. They hanged the “Emperor”. Game over. But I digress… The festival of Cinco de Mayo was virtually unknown outside the region around Puebla. Oh there would be pockets of expatriates who would celebrate the festival. And then… Well Useful Idiots, hand wringing guilt ridden white folks and BIG LIQUOR BEER AND WINE joined hands. Mexico’s rich and proud history has a myriad of real and significant historic events, ya know ACTUAL Mexican Federal Holidays celebrated by the whole nation. Too bad the Battle of Puebla is not one of them. That will not stop bleeding hearts looking to make political hay and brainwash Hispanic high school kids into thinking the 5th of May is culturally significant.

slvemike4u -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 8:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How the fuck is celebrating a Mexican cultural holiday in a school with a large percentage of Mexican students come under the heading of "forced"? Keep your bridge...at this point,after reading some of your more recent posts....I don't think you could sell me water in a desert. OK... time for a history lesson. It is NOT a Mexican cultural holiday. The Country of Mexico does not recognize it at a holiday, Mexico City and the other 30 Mexican States do not recognize it as a holiday, only the state of Puebla does. It is a festival, celebrating a "victory" of Mexican forces (it was really a draw btw) against French forces in The Battle of Puebla in 1862. Of course, the French didn't go home. They reinforced, marched on and later installed, with the help of Mexican Monarchist, an Austrian Arch Duke as Emperor of Mexico. The Brave and valiant stand of the Mexican forces while slowing down the French, really didn’t do much in the long run but the Mexican State of Puebla, would always remember her defenders and fallen sons. See the United States was too busy fighting something called The Civil War and couldn't stop the French. Well...the Civil War didn't last forever and that evil United States that stole all that land, well...Napoleon III saw the writing on the wall...the greatest Army the world had ever know, battle tested and looking for something to united the Nation looked south. The French, as the do best... bugged out. The United States, in the wake of its President’s death and the French beating feet, "lost" entire arsenals along the Mexican/U.S. border and the anti Monarch forces who “found” these arms defeated the Monarchists. They hanged the “Emperor”. Game over. But I digress… The festival of Cinco de Mayo was virtually unknown outside the region around Puebla. Oh there would be pockets of expatriates who would celebrate the festival. And then… Well Useful Idiots, hand wringing guilt ridden white folks and BIG LIQUOR BEER AND WINE joined hands. Mexico’s rich and proud history has a myriad of real and significant historic events, ya know ACTUAL Mexican Federal Holidays celebrated by the whole nation. Too bad the Battle of Puebla is not one of them. That will not stop bleeding hearts looking to make political hay and brainwash Hispanic high school kids into thinking the 5th of May is culturally significant. So than your point is that Cinco de Mayo isn't in fact a cultural holiday for mexicans in the U.S. of A.......well fine than if thats the case fine...:-)

cloudboy -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 9:07:12 PM)
quote: While I wish that, if individuals are going to share their American patriotism in the United States that they display the flag properly How exactly is a flag reflective of patriotism? ----- Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde Patriotism is often the arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan Patriotism; See also: Jingoism and Xenophobia

cloudboy -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 9:15:12 PM)
quote: the principle and the vice principle for forcing a student body to celebrate a Mexican holiday in the United States. Part of any educational institution's mission should be to help Americans -- de-americanize from time to time. As was once truly stated, "He cannot know Great Britain who never leaves Great Britain." All schools might try to include a lesson that there is more to the US than its symbols, traditional ways, and traditional faces. Funny how when you try to make folks "leave their homeland" but for a day, they can't help but cling to it even more tightly.

mikeyOfGeorgia -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 9:30:06 PM)
i'm still waiting for America to do like Russia and break up. i would love to see states start dropping from "The Union". i think i'm gonna strive to live long enough to see that happen.

mikeyOfGeorgia -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 9:31:11 PM)
As they say...NOTHING is forever!!!

FatDomDaddy -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/7/2010 11:40:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u So than your point is that Cinco de Mayo isn't in fact a cultural holiday for mexicans in the U.S. of A.......well fine than if thats the case fine...:-) No, it is not... it's a Booze festival and a guilt trip opportunity

VaguelyCurious -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/8/2010 2:58:26 AM)
Sorry this is late-I went dancing and then I went to sleep. quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi What makes you think they wore the shirt out of aggression? Would you have thought the same thing, if they had worn the shirts another day? Of course I wouldn't-that's the point. There's a difference between choosing to display a symbol on a random day, and five people making the coordinated decision to wear a patriotic symbol on a holiday celebrated by students of a different heritage. The first isn't aggressive, the second is. It's overly simplistic to say 'wearing flag good, banning the wearing of flag bad'-in general day-to-day life I would agree with you, but this wasn't day to day life, and there were additional factors. quote: Maybe if you didn't think of Americans in the generic, you would understand them more? I don't usually think of you guys as Americans in the generic-only when you start behaving seriously unexpectedly en masse. Then I start thinking 'why on earth are they so upset?' and the only answer I have is 'they're American'. Seriously, only the extreme right wing in the UK would react like this-have you got a better answer that doesn't leave me labelling you all political extremists in my head?

tazzygirl -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/8/2010 3:36:44 AM)
There was more than 5. And i dont see anything wrong with what they did. They demand, yes, demand cultural awareness from the US, yet give none in return.

VaguelyCurious -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/8/2010 4:02:52 AM)
Not sure where I got 5 from-guess that's what I get for skim-reading :P But there being more than 5 makes it more aggressive. I'm not saying they were horrible racist demons or anything-but it was deliberately insensitive, and I can see why the deputy head felt he had to intervene. Multiculturalism is difficult-there are minefields, people always end up treading on each others' toes. I tend to side with whoever is trying to make the positive contribution, and in this case it wasn't the kids wearing the flags. Would I have done the same thing as the deputy head? Probably not. But is it worth getting this upset about? I suspect the answer depends on what side of the Atlantic you're on.

Loki45 -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/8/2010 4:43:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ya know, I find it incredibly interesting that this is happening when becoming a legal immigrant in this country, one pledges allegiance to the American flag in a room full of other legal immigrants doing the exact same. You're assuming, of course, that they are in fact legal immigrants.

Loki45 -> RE: American students sent home for wearing American flags (5/8/2010 4:46:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u IMO they were wearing the t-shirts in an act of provocation and defiance. As they should. Considering the flap in Arizona and the fact that ILLEGAL immigrants and DEMANDING rights in this country, I hope more people choose this and other forms of defiance. We need to stop taking this shit lying down.

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