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Not sure where I got 5 from-guess that's what I get for skim-reading :P

But there being more than 5 makes it *more* aggressive. I'm not saying they were horrible racist demons or anything-but it *was* deliberately insensitive, and I can see why the deputy head felt he had to intervene. Multiculturalism is difficult-there are minefields, people always end up treading on each others' toes. I tend to side with whoever is trying to make the positive contribution, and in this case it wasn't the kids wearing the flags.

Would I have done the same thing as the deputy head? Probably not. But is it worth getting this upset about? I suspect the answer depends on what side of the Atlantic you're on.

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have you got a better answer that doesn't leave me labelling you all political extremists in my head?

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I suspect the answer depends on what side of the Atlantic you're on.

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Also from California - a student was told not to draw an American flag because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama (video).

http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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How the fuck is celebrating a Mexican cultural holiday in a school with a large percentage of Mexican students come under the heading of "forced"?
Keep your bridge...at this point,after reading some of your more recent posts....I don't think you could sell me water in a desert.

OK... time for a history lesson. It is NOT a Mexican cultural holiday. The Country of Mexico does not recognize it at a holiday, Mexico City and the other 30 Mexican States do not recognize it as a holiday, only the state of Puebla does. It is a festival, celebrating a "victory" of Mexican forces (it was really a draw btw) against French forces in The Battle of Puebla in 1862.

According to the history books it was a crushing defeat for the french who outnumbered the mexicans by 2:1


Of course, the French didn't go home. They reinforced, marched on and later installed, with the help of Mexican Monarchist, an Austrian Arch Duke as Emperor of Mexico.

Actually it was a year later when they had brought more than 30,000 troops to do what 8000 could not do against 4000.
The french army had not been defeated in more than 50 years and after this defeat no other european army would invade the americas until the falkland island war. of a few years ago.


The Brave and valiant stand of the Mexican forces while slowing down the French, really didn’t do much in the long run but the Mexican State of Puebla, would always remember her defenders and fallen sons.

See the United States was too busy fighting something called The Civil War and couldn't stop the French. Well...the Civil War didn't last forever and that evil United States that stole all that land, well...Napoleon III saw the writing on the wall...the greatest Army the world had ever know, battle tested and looking for something to united the Nation looked south.

ROFLMAO
When the french moved into mexico in in 1862 the intention was to join the confederacy against the union. The crushing defeat in may of 1862 prevented the french from doing just that. It took another year to bring the necessary men to conquor mexico. By the time that was accomplished the american civil war was over.
Your contention that the american army was "the greatest army the world had ever known" is hyperbole at best and rank bullshit at worst.
The facts are that the U.S. started sending mexico arms and equipment to fight the french.




The French, as the do best... bugged out.

Would these be the same french who won the revolutionary war for us?


The United States, in the wake of its President’s death and the French beating feet, "lost" entire arsenals along the Mexican/U.S. border and the anti Monarch forces who “found” these arms defeated the Monarchists. They hanged the “Emperor”. Game over.


Of course you have something to validate this statement?

But I digress…

The festival of Cinco de Mayo was virtually unknown outside the region around Puebla. Oh there would be pockets of expatriates who would celebrate the festival.

And then…

Well Useful Idiots, hand wringing guilt ridden white folks and BIG LIQUOR BEER AND WINE joined hands.

Mexico’s rich and proud history has a myriad of real and significant historic events, ya know ACTUAL Mexican Federal Holidays celebrated by the whole nation. Too bad the Battle of Puebla is not one of them.


Of course you see no significance in the fact that after the french got their asses handed to them at puebla that no european army has invaded the americas until the falkland island war.

That will not stop bleeding hearts looking to make political hay and brainwash Hispanic high school kids into thinking the 5th of May is culturally significant.

Not culturally significant yet tens of millions celebrate it every year...what are you blind, deaf, dumb and ignorant?

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Not culturally significant yet tens of millions celebrate it every year...what are you blind, deaf, dumb and ignorant?

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General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.

When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.

It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?

In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!


History of Cinco de Mayo
Uncover the Origins of Cinco de Mayo - Videos Online at HISTORY™.
History.com

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Not culturally significant yet tens of millions celebrate it every year...what are you blind, deaf, dumb and ignorant?

Maybe im missing something, but i do recall posting, as someone else did, that this holiday is celebrated in Mexico in one location. Could the population of that one location be 10's of millions of people?


You were aware that there are about fifty million mexican-americans.
One might suppose that they might celebrate cinco de mayo

Why is Cinco De Mayo celebrated in the US? There are a number of reasons given. The first....

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General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.

When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.


Kinda blows a hole in the premis that the mexcans stole the arms from american arsenals now doesn't it.


It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?

If the french had been successful at puebla Then they could have given the 30,000 troops they used to take mexico to the confedrates.
Which was their plan.

In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces.

Actually the state of california had deported over one million us citizens of mexican heritage in the thirties. When WWII broke out the U.S. sent all of those american citizens who had been deported for being brown in public a draft notice. For some bizzare reason everyone who got a draft notice responded...would you have joined the u.s. army after having been expropriated and thrown out of the country?


As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Is that why the army is having trouble meeting their recruiting goals and retaining personel who are due to be discharged?

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are,

You mean the guys who stole half of their country?


and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!


History of Cinco de Mayo
Uncover the Origins of Cinco de Mayo - Videos Online at HISTORY™.
History.com

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_Cinco_de_Mayo_first_celebrated_in_the_US

In Mexico, Cinco de Mayo is not widely celebrated. The state of Puebla is the main focus of celebration in Mexico while many others do not view it as important as El 16 de Septiembre (Mexico's Independence Day) so they simply do not celebrate it. The United States in particular has taken on a different view however, and Cinco de Mayo has become a widely recognized and celebrated holiday.

The United States celebrates Cinco de Mayo every year with parades, festivals, food, music, and dancing. While more popular in states that border Mexico, and in cities that have a large Mexican population, many other states and cities take the time to celebrate and honor Mexican heritage and its blend with the American life. During the week leading up to Cinco de Mayo, and on May 5th itself, you can enjoy festive Mexican music, taste customary Mexican dishes, watch traditional Mexican dances, and learn a lot about Mexican culture and customs. Many schools even hold Cinco de Mayo events and spend time learning about the significance of the date, its history, and Mexican culture.

Although Cinco de Mayo has become a highly commercialized event with business trying to capitalize on the celebration by offering special Mexican dishes, events, and drinks, you shouldn't forget the importance of the
celebration itself. Much like St. Patrick's Day where we celebrate Irish heritage, we should celebrate Mexican ancestry and honor our neighbor's plight for freedom. Mexican heritage after all has become part of the American Life for many Americans. Just because your roots are not of Mexican lineage doesn't mean you cannot take time to respect and celebrate a culture that is truly beautiful and overflowing with history.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/665619/cinco_de_mayo_pg2.html?cat=16

Now it seems this has become as popular as St Patrick's Day, Octoberfest, ect. Yet, i dont recall any incidents of any of these people who celebrate and are Irish (im 1/4) or German (my other 1/4 lol) getting upset because someone didnt wear green or garters.

Disrespect IS sometimes in the eye of the beholder. IF you want to see disrespect, you only have to be willing to look for it, want to see it, then find a reason to view it.

These kids did nothing wrong.

US born, wearing US flags on US soil.

JUST because we call the day Cinco De Mayo, St Patricks Day, Octoberfest, or what have you, doesnt mean we have to adopt all their traditions on that day. To insist we do takes it from being a celebration to being a mandatory holiday. Are we now mandating Cinco de Mayo as OUR national holiday?

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The school district board does not agree with the school's decision, mike. the students have not been suspended, are already back in school, and are still wearing the same t-shirts. There were more than five students involved in the Live Oak incident. The following is a statement released by the district.

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The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.

One student made this comment...

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But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

Now, if all of mexico doesnt celebrate this day, why is this idea that its a mexican heritage day being pushed?

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Also from California - a student was told not to draw an American flag because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama (video).

http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Does it bother you at all that the "faux nooz" did not put the actual picture the little girl drew on the vidio but instead some other childish rendition of the flag....what were they hiding?
Does it bother you at all the the "faux nooz" did not bring the teacher on to explane here position?
Nah I did not think it would.

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Of course you see no significance in the fact that after the french got their asses handed to them at puebla that no european army has invaded the americas until the falkland island war.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Also from California - a student was told not to draw an American flag because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama (video).

http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Before you try to teach history perhaps you might want to study it first.

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Maybe im missing something, but i do recall posting, as someone else did, that this holiday is celebrated in Mexico in one location. Could the population of that one location be 10's of millions of people?

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Your numbers are confusing in light of these...

46.9 million
The estimated Hispanic population of the United States as of July 1, 2008, making people of Hispanic origin the nation’s largest ethnic or race minority. Hispanics constituted 15 percent of the nation’s total population. In addition, there are approximately 4 million residents of Puerto Rico.
Source: Population estimates <http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/013733.html> and
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/013049.html>

64%
The percentage of Hispanic-origin people in the United States who were of Mexican background in 2007. Another 9 percent were of Puerto Rican background, with 3.5 percent Cuban, 3.1 percent Salvadoran and 2.7 percent Dominican. The remainder were of some other Central American, South American or other Hispanic or Latino origin.
Source: 2007 American Community Survey <http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Products/users_guide/index.htm>

Mexican Americans are Americans of Mexican descent. They account for more than 12.5% of United States' population: 30.7 million Americans listed their ancestry as Mexican as of 2006, forming about 64% of all Hispanics and Latinos in the United States.[2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American

Seems your numbers are a little.. ok.. alot high.

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I said that cinco de mayo was celebrated by tens of millions. You post that there are more than 30 million mexican-americans in the U.S.in the u.s. as of four years ago.
I have heard that there are more than 12 million illegal aliens in our country.
Would that not constitute "tens of millions"?

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Also from California - a student was told not to draw an American flag because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama (video).

http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Does it bother you at all that the "faux nooz" did not put the actual picture the little girl drew on the vidio but instead some other childish rendition of the flag....what were they hiding?
Does it bother you at all the the "faux nooz" did not bring the teacher on to explane here position?
Nah I did not think it would.

Could have it have been the "God bless America"?  Could the teacher have been trying to do the "no religion in public schools"  thing?  We just don't know.

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I said that cinco de mayo was celebrated by tens of millions. You post that there are more than 30 million mexican-americans in the U.S.in the u.s. as of four years ago.
I have heard that there are more than 12 million illegal aliens in our country.
Would that not constitute "tens of millions"?

But what percentage of those 30-42 million actually celebrate the day?  I suspect that number doesn't reach "tens of millions".