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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 1:44:39 AM   
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This whole thing reminds me of the number of people who are terrified of flying, but are fine with driving their car, even though it's much safer to fly.



From a sub point of view I think the most dangerous play is to play with someone who doesn't care about you.

... and that whole non matching bra and panty scenario... cruel beyond words.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 3:22:08 AM   
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Perhaps we should throw all our toys away and get out our feather dusters
Nonononono-choking hazard.

I'd expect a sensible person like you to realise that and stick to j-cloths, Maria.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 5:18:49 AM   
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Perhaps we should throw all our toys away and get out our feather dusters
Nonononono-choking hazard.

I'd expect a sensible person like you to realise that and stick to j-cloths, Maria.

:P



Oh j-clothes are great but try convincing a domestic male slave! The ones I ended up with thought it would be much more fun to lick my skirting boards clean

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 6:50:05 AM   
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This whole thing reminds me of the number of people who are terrified of flying, but are fine with driving their car, even though it's much safer to fly.


That's because while they know there is a much bigger chance that they will be in an accident while driving, they also understand that there is a much better chance of surviving a car crash.


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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 8:33:03 AM   
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More aircraft accidents happen on or near to landing than flight or take off. This is why I was Airborne (Special Forces). Parachuting is so much safer and less bumpy than riding on an aircraft during landing (Especially if I am flying it.)

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 10:35:52 AM   
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Exactly!
Perhaps we should throw all our toys away and get out our feather dusters

Good God No! None of us should use feather dusters because some people are allergic to birds.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 11:00:19 AM   
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So what are we supposed to do? not play at all just in case someone has an underlying illness?!?

You could play with someone for years and suddenly find out they have some underlying or even congenital condition thats waiting to rear its ugly head. That is a risk we take.





I see your point and it's a good one. I suppose if someone had an underlying heart condition the orgasm alone could do it as well. Hell TONS of people die every year urinating/defecating due to a heart problem, apparently the bathroom is a stressful place . I'm really trying to be prudish (I giggled when I typed that, because I'm pretty far from it), I told you in my post like 20 pages ago, I've done it more than once and never had an ekg. I'm merely playing devil's advocate and people should be aware that electric play can be very dangerous.



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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 12:35:18 PM   
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that should have read NOT trying to be prudish.....

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 2:45:27 PM   
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Simple...
Just ask the person if they have   EXPERIENCE" with the unit they are using.
...and NEVER use a TENS above the waist.


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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 4:28:54 PM   
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Ermmm Then obviously I am wrong as are a few therapists for using the TENS on the arms since these body parts are above the waist especially when standing... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/14/2010 6:17:41 PM   
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That's because while they know there is a much bigger chance that they will be in an accident while driving, they also understand that there is a much better chance of surviving a car crash.

That's true to some extent, but a lot of people just have a panicky reaction to flying that is much stronger than their fear of a lot of more dangerous things. For that matter, thanks to Jaws and similar movies, there are plenty of people who live hours away from a beach who are terrified of sharks, and a lot of people are frightened of non-venomous small snakes. Yes, a shark can kill someone, but not if they are in Utah or Colorado at the time. Gopher snakes and rat snakes are pretty harmless. A bite would hurt, and there's an outside chance it could get infected, but it's vanishingly rare that anyone is going to be seriously injured by one. Rats and spiders are more common, and can be dangerous or deadly on occasion, but most people aren't scared of being killed by them, they're just scared of being in the same room with them. Heck, lots of people find their hearts pounding and palms sweating from public speaking, even if nobody in the audience has rotten tomatoes or anything else to throw.

The movie industry (especially horror and suspense flicks), haunted houses, amusement parks, and such take advantage of the milder fear and adrenaline rush associated with them. Some people like getting scared, when they know they are relatively safe. Nothing in life is perfectly safe, you just manage risks to the best of your ability, and decide what you're comfortable with. You can't stab someone or bludgeon someone with a pillow, but far more people are killed by them than by sharks, rats, spiders, public speaking, snakes, and BDSM combined.

jb, I'd say you're right, but that for most people, the dangers tend to be more emotional than physical. I've usually only played with people who I had an emotional connection and friendship with, but I've stunt-bottomed for a couple of classes with instructors who I didn't personally know very well. I did get scared by one of them, but she meant to, and once I'd stopped myself from running across the room, I didn't feel I was in much objective danger. It didn't stop my heart from pounding, though! I do feel that going off to play privately with someone who they've just met is unwise and can be dangerous. Death isn't as likely, but it's quite easy for things to get out of hand and boundaries to be crossed in that situation.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 5/15/2010 11:47:16 AM   
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absolutly your not the only one who feels this way, this is what people have limits for. and limits should be respected

also safety issues should be a concer on both sides of the whip. as a sub i could never be with someone who wasnt careful and safe. as a domme i wouldnt want to be with someone whose fetishes were to extreme for me to feel comfortible playing with.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 12:38:23 AM   
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Personally, I'd rather be zapped by sticking a fork in the Wall outlet over getting Zapped by a Car Battery! DC vs. AC, DC voltage will bit and grab hold of you, different kind of shock compared to AC. None the less the Wall outlet and a Car Battery neither one it safe.



Huh?! I have never noticed even a slight tingle from holding both terminals on a car battery! I can't say the same for mains AC. I can't speak for 110v as we have 240v here but I can tell you that you do notice that and some folk die from it.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 10:00:33 AM   
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I work at an acupuncture clinic and we use electrostim devices (TENS unit) on the needles sometimes.  No one ever crosses the heart, the currents are minimal and kept turned down low, and no one has ever had a problem.  I wouldn't let anyone cross my chest with it or use it on my head, but that's about as far as I'd really worry about safety with it.  That said, it's also definitely Not My Thing, so it's a fairly moot point.

It depends on the risk/benefit to me.  I adore rope suspension, which I realize carries risk of permanent nerve damage and paralysis or death if done incorrectly and I fall on my head.  I've never known of that to happen in any of the scenes where I play, I play with people I know and trust or with people that the people I know and trust recommend, and I've never had a problem.  I'm currently looking into rigging a bit so I can better identify incompetence and red flags to my safety.  But the rope bottomy headspace is, to me, worth taking some informed risk.  I'll minimize the risk to the point that I can, and accept that it will always carry risk.

Breath play is a hard limit to me because of the ever-apparent risk of death.  If it were a huge turn-on for me, perhaps I'd feel differently about it, but I've never understood why people enjoy it.  Therefore, it's not worth the risk.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 11:52:43 AM   
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Big credit to crazyml for doing the maths.

I have done electrical play with TENS. and will continue to do so. I haven't died yet. Does anybody know PERSONALLY of an incident where someone died or was hospitalised as a result of play involving TENS, Violet wand or E-stim? I wouldn't modify equipment, or allow anyone to use modified equipment on me. Anything that uses mains voltage should be PAT tested at least once a year, to control the risk of wiring problems and internal faults - that's the norm for all businesses in the UK.

In all activities, it makes sense to understand the science, be aware of the risks and take some sensible precautions, butt when all is said and done, life is a risky activity that is always fatal in the end. I choose to live a little before I die.

Here in the Britain we suffer regularly from activities being banned on the grounds of "Health and Safety". In fact, the blame should be levelled at jobsworths who don't understand the law, or what they are doing - all H&S law requires is that businesses assess risks, minimise them, and inform people of them. Nowhere does it say you can't do things because there are risks.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 12:31:33 PM   
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Oh shit, if electrical play is considered over the line for many folks, WTF am I to do with this nail gun?

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 12:33:38 PM   
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I'd be cautious using the metal probe on a violet wand as they can, in the event of a fault, carry mains voltage. I know, it happened to me when testing a unit. The glass attachments cannot suffer from this problem. Bear in mind, many are very old and might be suffering from insulation breakdown. Obviously, the usual caveats about dodgy hearts and especially Pacemakers apply, of course, to all electro play.

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 2:07:21 PM   
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Ok, I fully acknowledge that I've pretty much dismissed electrical play for me (no real interest, I guess) -- but I had a little curiosity after watching someone work with a violet wand at an educational seminar... then I had someone tell me something last week that worried me, and this seems like the right time to check with the knowledgeable folks here.... I was told that, if one is using something like a violet wand or such, the top is exposed to arc flow and is part of the circuit along with the bottom. If that's true, that's a definite "no-no" for me for electrical play, since my central nervous system (which is basically an electrical transmission system) is already whacked, and running extra electricity around it would probably not make it any happier.

Thanks in advance for the info,

Calla

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 2:21:14 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
Personally, I'd rather be zapped by sticking a fork in the Wall outlet over getting Zapped by a Car Battery! DC vs. AC, DC voltage will bit and grab hold of you, different kind of shock compared to AC. None the less the Wall outlet and a Car Battery neither one it safe.



Huh?! I have never noticed even a slight tingle from holding both terminals on a car battery! I can't say the same for mains AC. I can't speak for 110v as we have 240v here but I can tell you that you do notice that and some folk die from it.


The most dangerous thing about electricity is not the voltage, it is the amperage. Violet wands, E Stim units and TENS units operate on very low amperage in the range from 0 to 2 milliamps generally. Not so sure about car batteries but I know that some of them have as high as 1500 cold cranking amps. I don't think I'd want to play with that kind of current.

Here is a link to a pretty good article on electricity that explains it fairly simply.

http://pchem.scs.uiuc.edu/pchemlab/electric.htm

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RE: Potentially dangerous activities - 6/23/2010 8:31:38 PM   
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This isn't directed to any particular person, so I chose fast reply.

I use a TENS unit fairly regularly on myself for back issues.  It helps some.  I actually find it like a massage (sorta) on the lower setting.  Higher settings can be uncomfortable and I am sure that in certain locations more so.

That said, my doctor did not give me any warnings regarding using it... I don't have a pacemaker (which he knows).



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