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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 12:14:35 PM   
LillyoftheVally


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Cleggs stated values was foremost that he would support and try to work with the party who were placed in the majority by the people. If he went against his word, I'd be more worried. But he isn't and for that, I admire him.

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I am totally with you there

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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 1:32:21 PM   
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So, Tories and LibDems----

Are good old C and C gonna work it out you think?

Gotta love monte carlo gaming.


I thinkit has a better chance of working than a Brown/Clegg pact. i think NG is right though, in the end the gulf between cameron/Clegg on vital policies may prove too wide to gap.

There's a lot of his party who don't even want him to try gapping it, come to that.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 2:03:29 PM   
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NG,

They are opposed totally I agree, which is why I think that the Lib Dems only have to agree to abstain from voting on a few key things such as the budget so that any cock up that happens is put down to the conservatives but that at least there won't be weeks and weeks of disagreement within the house of commons but that other things they can vote whatever they want, I think that the lib dems have to push for PR to pacify their voters or else they will loose all credibility. I wish the election had gone another way, I think a lib/lab coalition would have been better for the country esp with Vince Cable in the mix, but it simply hasn't gone that way.

I am not sure that they will be able to create a real deal, I guess time will tell.



You're right Lilly time will tell.....but there's more chance of Margaret Thatcher becoming a trade union member than there is of the Conservative Party accepting PR. Not a cat in hell's chance.



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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 2:15:53 PM   
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So, Tories and LibDems----

Are good old C and C gonna work it out you think?

Gotta love monte carlo gaming.


I thinkit has a better chance of working than a Brown/Clegg pact. i think NG is right though, in the end the gulf between cameron/Clegg on vital policies may prove too wide to gap.



There's a lot of his party who don't even want him to try gapping it, come to that.



If there is to be a deal...it will boil down to whether or not Nick Clegg can persuade his party that it's better to be involved and be able to push through some of their policies....though not the key ones such as PR and Europe.....than it is to be not involved at all......or than it is to form a government with a series of smaller parties.

It's amazing really...

You know what the Tories are like with Europe.....the Liberal Party has always been pro-Europe.....

You know what the Tories are like on defence....the Liberal Party wants to scrap Trident...

Ditto electoral reform and immigration...

There are just so many differences of opinion that in the event they do form a coalition they will fall out within a couple of months.

Reading between the lines of some of the comments from prominent Liberal MPs.....it may be the case that the Liberal wish list is to form a coalition with Labour and the smaller parties but only where Brown is not the leader of the Labour Party.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 2:43:11 PM   
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But as far as I am concerned, the election is void, that due to the fact that although people turned up to vote, they were prevented from exercising their democratic right due to failures of the electoral comission. I expect there is nothingfmajor in the prevention of voters voting regarding the results unless the majority was very tight, but to me it is imperative that those who turn up to vote as per their entitlement are permitted to do so.


Whilst I do agree with your view Aneirin, it nevertheless made me laugh why so many people came so late...yeah I know, work committments and family and whatever reasons might me...but you can vote here from 7am to 10pm and it is local to where people live...somehow I doubt that for many of them was no chance to get there a bit earlier (which does not mean that I do think as well they should have been allowed to vote!)

In Germany we vote sundays and there we have a smaller time slot as it is expected that people won't work anyway and so will have time to get there in that time slot (though we have enough people working shift too) so we can only vote from 9am to 6pm...and so far I never heard such a story of people being turned away...also the polling station is 4 times as far away for me as it is here...

Sending people away as it is 10pm just reminded me a bit on something I experience a lot over here, where at times people prefer to blindly follow "their rules and regulations" instead of using their common sense...

In regards to PR it amuses me on a personal level, as a dearest friend of mine laughed about our PR system 5 years ago...and quite frankly after this result I am damn sure that he at last wished they would have it, too

I do hope your country comes to a good conclusion and I do hope it lasts...yes, we had times back home where it didn't last...but when it caused problems then at times it also had to do with it that people came on power who were only a last solution, eg when Schroeder came to power to finally get rid of Mr. Kohl after him being in power for 16 years... when he won again in election afterwards with some luck (if my memory is right) he realised people weren't quite happy to him still being there and so he asked for his parliament or whatever gremium it was to vote if he should stay in power or not...and he stayed...until then at last Madam Merkel took over (which I voted for and so far I am happy with the work she does...though, not in regards to spending money on Greece again )

Overall I am happy that we have PR at home even when I needed regular updates every 4 years to have explained again for what my first vote is for and for what my second vote is for

As at least it represents a fair bit fairer the parliament people wanted to have with what they voted for...and whilst a mixed parliament might make things more difficult, I think it is good to have different views in there who have to be taken into consideration and not just mainly one party who might just say yes and amen...variety is good

lets wait and see how it continues.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/9/2010 5:13:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, it is that aspect of PR that I like, a government made up of many different thoughts to consider instead of the thought of the ruling party. As it is and what may come to be, if PR gets the go ahead, we might actually have a government that represents all the different factions within the UK, from mothers rights to OAP's, in the case of the latter, they are still capable of vast reasoning given their experience in life, not resigned to the dust bin for being retired as it seems they are in this day and age. The elders in tribes of the past were held in awe, why is it in our present age, we disregard them.

Government might very well take longer to come to decisions, but that for me, I would much prefer a measured response than a response based upon the leaders autocracy.



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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 7:27:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, even the BBC is playing footsie with any information, it is like a talk between Kruschev and Kennedy, nothing public said.  Clegg talking to both, looking to trade for the best deal, no doubt....Well, MrC, MrB offers such and such, well MrB, MrC offers such and such, and I am MrA.

What's going on over there?   Are these bleeding poofters playing MI5 or what?



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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 9:25:52 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		Wow, now that was a total shock, seems like the predictions are not as certain as we may have thought. Honestly never in my life have I had the news on so much, I am literally glued to it.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 10:52:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Brown is stubborn and doesn't work well with others.  It is unsurprising that Clegg would work with Labour should Brown Bow out.  And Brown is a honourable man in the respect that he would do what he thinks is best for the country.  His resignation isn't such a huge surprise.

I just hope they do another election in a year.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 11:31:33 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		I think he did the right thing, and I think that now things are more interesting.

I am hopeful about electoral reform and have actually started to feel real passion akin to what I felt when I protested way back before the war. It seems like it is a moment that we could have real change and positive change

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:35:51 PM   
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I therefore think Brown will resign from office within a week or so.


It was obvious to me that Clegg wouldnt work with Brown. Now its down to which party makes the best trade off. Reports have it thast the Conservatives are willing to hold a referendum on the Alternative Vote. Will it be enough for the Lib Dems ?

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whats Mr C going to offer to keep up with the (well Browns won't work now) shall we call them Jones or Darlings?   I expect it is not enough, does nobody sense a bidding war?

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:39:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope not. The Conservative allergy to Europe and public spending are a lot more important than that one, and I doubt that either's negotiable, whatever shit Cameron's been spouting since Thursday.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:44:37 PM   
Phoenixpower


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Status: offline 		as long as the end results makes sure to stay out of the Euro and doesn't get the idea that other countries could give them money as well to pay their debts (such as it happened now again with Greece) I will be fine with every possible result over here

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:46:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah Europe, that can of worms has cost us £8bn today, according to Mr Darling. Its all down to the Greek bailout. I am unsure as many people want us to stay there as some would have us think Moonhead.

Ron, yes its deal or no deal time. Clegg may get a better offer, the electorate will remember next time if he made the deal for them or himself though. One point to remember is that any deal is ratified by the Lib Dems under what they call the triple lock system. This is meant to keep the leader in check.

Whoever gets in in needs to happen soon, or the stock markets will react badly.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just feel AV was not enough, and they didnt get through the triple lock with that.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't give a toss about the Euro either way: I was thinking more on Cameron's threats to get us out of the EEC so we won't have Brussels interfering with our role as America's fawning bitch in future. Fuck that: at least we get to vote for MEPs, unlike whichever cretin the Americans elect next.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:47:52 PM   
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I just feel AV was not enough, and they didnt get through the triple lock with that.


Thanks for that info Lilly.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:52:09 PM   
Phoenixpower


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Status: offline 		For me - as mentioned before the election - the interest is only due to my ex anyway, he was a Libdem Councillor and got elected again...furthermore they did win in my borough as well....therefore my limited political interest over here is satisfied with knowing that he achieved what he wanted and I could help his party a little bit, too....because even with being over here since 5 years, my heart still beats more for Germany in regards to election, so without knowing my ex I would not have voted here.

and yep...europe is certainly a can of worms

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RE: UK Election result - 5/10/2010 12:53:48 PM   
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Ah Europe, that can of worms has cost us £8bn today, according to Mr Darling. Its all down to the Greek bailout. I am unsure as many people want us to stay there as some would have us think Moonhead..

I'm sure most people don't, but, as I've said, it's preferable to our concurrent role as America's vassal state. Frankly, anything that limits the power of whichever autocratic tit Clegg ends up rimming in the next parliament is going to be a good thing: I don't like Darling any more than Cameron, and don't even get me started on that shithead Mandelson.

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