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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:31:56 AM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		My post was about the election. I just wish we were doing what the Brits will be doing.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:37:15 AM   
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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:39:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seriously, Woody, servant obviously has NO idea what Cameron had to say- and the dissimulations he had to make - to get elected . He sees "Cameron = Conservative" and thinks "Cameron = my typaguy".

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:40:37 AM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		If the Brits, us and every other country would stop spending money that isn't there, raising taxes would not be necessary.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:43:32 AM   
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If the Brits, us and every other country would stop spending money that isn't there, raising taxes would not be necessary.

What, so every financial institution in the western world being based on bubble economies has nothing to do with the problem?

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:45:00 AM   
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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:48:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyways, I am not thrilled with the outcome, but I am very proud of the lib dems, I know that sounds patronising but they did so much better that I expected, I think that this is a great step in changing politics and also on a party personal level of getting their policies and values out there for the first time, and something I assumed wouldn't happen in my life time.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:50:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thing is, ever fierce Labourites had become sick of Labour - especially after Iraq. Blair has a lot to answer for.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:50:44 AM   
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It's that kind of thinking that got america into your mess. Shit don't come for free.

Really? So when are you going to be returning the money the bank of England loaned you back in 2008 after you idiots wrecked the global economy?

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:52:02 AM   
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Anyways, I am not thrilled with the outcome, but I am very proud of the lib dems, I know that sounds patronising but they did so much better that I expected, I think that this is a great step in changing politics and also on a party personal level of getting their policies and values out there for the first time, and something I assumed wouldn't happen in my life time.

Er, you do know that they lost quite a few seats during the elections on Thursday, right? I found that hilarious after all of the fawning over Clegg from the papers...

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:53:08 AM   
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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:55:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummmm you do know they got more votes?

I am a lib dem supporter I believe in a fairer voting system.

But regardless they never get anywhere and never will under the system, they now have a chance to prove PR can work and coalitions (ie adults behaving like adults) aren't the big bad wolf people make out

KS, Yeah he really does, so does Brown, I am not happy about the prospect of Miliband, if they had swung back to the left I would possibly consider switching sides

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:55:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		A bitter pill that was never swallowed indeed.

Anyway, now Cameron's inherited the mess. It's not going to be pretty, and time will tell. Add your own political platitudes here: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  :-) .

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 9:57:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Moonhead, first post...what the fuck are ya talking about?
2nd post....they didn't do near as bad as it might seem looking at seats. The % of vote went up to 23, and they're now either 1st or 2nd party in ~300 seats. Off the back of the massive Iraq boost fading, reckon they've done great.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:01:35 AM   
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Ummmm you do know they got more votes?

I am a lib dem supporter I believe in a fairer voting system.

They were in deficit I think that is what Moonhead is trying to explain.
And I believe in a fairer voting system, but that's not what the purple people are advocating.  It might work well for the lib dems and labour might even get a slice, but conservatives would loose as would some independants.  That is hardly 'fair'.

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KS, Yeah he really does, so does Brown, I am not happy about the prospect of Miliband, if they had swung back to the left I would possibly consider switching sides

Urgh the idea of Miliband as leader is jsut way scarey.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:06:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

Ummmm you do know they got more votes?

I am a lib dem supporter I believe in a fairer voting system.

They were in deficit I think that is what Moonhead is trying to explain.
And I believe in a fairer voting system, but that's not what the purple people are advocating. It might work well for the lib dems and labour might even get a slice, but conservatives would loose as would some independants. That is hardly 'fair'.




I knew what Moonhead was saying, I just didn't really like the sarcasum.

I just think the two party system is structurally wrong, that MP's don't seem to feel at all like they are accountable, that is something I hate, its like a boys club, well it will be labour for a while then the conservatives then labour forever and ever and ever and ever and ever where I want them to feel they have to work hard for support. I don't know I just hate the FPTP system, I don't think it works.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:10:05 AM   
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Moonhead, first post...what the fuck are ya talking about?


When the American economy went tits up at the end of 2008 (you might remember that: there was quite a fuss over it), the American banks all decided that the other banks were bad credit risks and shouldn't be loaned money. In order to inject some liquidity into your economy, your then President (you know, the Republican fiscal conservative, not the spendthrift Kenyan democrat who's running your country now) took out a huge loan form the bank of England. A lot of people over here (or at least those who have heard about it) are a bit narked about this, feeling that the money could have been better used to lubricate our own economy.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:11:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

Ummmm you do know they got more votes?

I am a lib dem supporter I believe in a fairer voting system.

They were in deficit I think that is what Moonhead is trying to explain.
And I believe in a fairer voting system, but that's not what the purple people are advocating. It might work well for the lib dems and labour might even get a slice, but conservatives would loose as would some independants. That is hardly 'fair'.



I knew what Moonhead was saying, I just didn't really like the sarcasum.

I just think the two party system is structurally wrong, that MP's don't seem to feel at all like they are accountable, that is something I hate, its like a boys club, well it will be labour for a while then the conservatives then labour forever and ever and ever and ever and ever where I want them to feel they have to work hard for support. I don't know I just hate the FPTP system, I don't think it works.

I have no argument with any of that, but however big a chunk of the vote they got in abstract terms, under the current system, they lost a few seats.
(As for the sarcasm, I find that very useful in political discussions on the internet. You should give it a go yourself. It does wonders for the blood pressure.)

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:13:24 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		Yeah they did Moonhead, and I was gutted I thought they had really got through to people, and some of the MP's they lost were pretty wonderful. It was an odd result though, really shocked at the indecision of it all.

On the sarcasm note, I am just being overly sensitive I think, I feel like I have been standing up for the Lib Dems for days now, I kinda understand why you don't have to disclose who you vote for.

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RE: UK Election result - 5/12/2010 10:16:34 AM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		It was a bit depressing, but I also find it funny in an "if I laugh at any mortal thing it is that I do not cry" way.

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