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Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthrig... - 5/21/2010 6:46:48 PM   
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The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.

Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.

Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.

Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.

Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens. "And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."

His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/21/2010 6:56:53 PM   
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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/21/2010 7:13:37 PM   
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We don't need to worry about enemies outside of our country, the 'divide et impera' strategy works well enough. Were I an enemy intent on eventually domination of the old 'US of A,' all I'll have to do is wait.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/21/2010 11:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ending birthright citizenship makes a lot of sense. I do not know any other country with such thing. It certainly can not be retroactive though. 

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 1:33:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		This issue is already divided along partisan lines. Of the 92 Congress members sponsoring the bill only 2 are Democrats, from Mississippi. All the rest are Republican.

More fuel to the fire for the mid-term elections.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 4:49:43 AM   
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Good, it's a stupid fucking law anyway.


Funny how those like you, who regard their Second Amendment rights as gospel, find it easy to pick and choose the rest of the Constitution.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 4:55:03 AM   
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How much hate can there be in the world?

We don't need to worry about enemies outside of our country, the 'divide et impera' strategy works well enough. Were I an enemy intent on eventually domination of the old 'US of A,' all I'll have to do is wait.

dovie...and please don't respond to me-go tell someone you love them. Sheesh!



I didn't post this in support of it.

Maybe I should have made that clear, but I guess I've become used to the idea that most posters on this board know my views on such issues.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 4:59:02 AM   
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And you thought I was off base when I said states may one day secede.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 4:59:59 AM   
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Ending birthright citizenship makes a lot of sense. I do not know any other country with such thing. It certainly can not be retroactive though. 


Why?

If you are born here why would you not be considered a citizen?

What requirements would you put on it? 

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:01:44 AM   
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Maybe this is what is required.

And you thought I was off base when I said states may one day secede.



The same question I directed at Fellow.

Why do you believe this is required?

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:03:29 AM   
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Good, it's a stupid fucking law anyway.


Is there some other part of my constitution you would like to wipe your ass with?

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:08:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would this new law include going back and researching every immigrant that came here and establishing their legal citizenship status before they gave birth and if, by chance, they hadn't yet completed the process, then lets just ship back all the descendants.  Lets ship these freeloaders back to the countries they came from.  All of them!!!

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:10:30 AM   
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Maybe this is what is required.

And you thought I was off base when I said states may one day secede.



The same question I directed at Fellow.

Why do you believe this is required?



Honestly- I think some decisions need to be made at the local level.  People close to the day to day of it all.

Do we really want all decisions made out of DC?  or Brussels?

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:28:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Maybe this is what is required.

And you thought I was off base when I said states may one day secede.



The same question I directed at Fellow.

Why do you believe this is required?



Honestly- I think some decisions need to be made at the local level.  People close to the day to day of it all.

Do we really want all decisions made out of DC?  or Brussels?



You are not answering the question, only deflecting it.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:36:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Ending birthright citizenship makes a lot of sense. I do not know any other country with such thing. It certainly can not be retroactive though. 


Why?

If you are born here why would you not be considered a citizen?

What requirements would you put on it? 



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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 5:47:45 AM   
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Lets ship these freeloaders back to the countries they came from.


Which freeloaders?
The ones who work and have their taxes witheld but not remitted by their employers?
The paracites like bill gates ted turner,ADM, cargill,goldman sachs,bank of america?
or...
do you just want a whiter amerika?

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 6:30:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		My remark was made with sarcasm thompson, but yes, those would be the freeloader I mean.  Hell, aren't the children of illegals obligated to pay taxes if they're a citizen?  Would you call them freeloaders too, since you want to ship them back?  (and I don't mean you you, I am speaking generally).  My intent in expressing the sarcasm is that enacting a law that the author of the AZ wants to enact can have treacherous repercussions, unless you (again,not you, but others) *only* mean this for our southern illegals.  America was practically made from immigrants.  If we made this a law, then wouldn't we have to go back and do our homework and wouldn't it apply to everyone that was born by an illegal (no matter what the case, if they were illegal, they were illegal, case closed).  Or are we going to 'grandfather' in the ones who have been here for generations.  Does this just apply to first generations? All generations? 

Its just the start of more idiocy, if you ask me.  The start of what the new AZ law is bringing and will continue to bring.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 6:53:25 AM   
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My remark was made with sarcasm thompson, but yes, those would be the freeloader I mean.  Hell, aren't the children of illegals obligated to pay taxes if they're a citizen?  Would you call them freeloaders too, since you want to ship them back?  (and I don't mean you you, I am speaking generally).  My intent in expressing the sarcasm is that enacting a law that the author of the AZ wants to enact can have treacherous repercussions, unless you (again,not you, but others) *only* mean this for our southern illegals.  America was practically made from immigrants.  If we made this a law, then wouldn't we have to go back and do our homework and wouldn't it apply to everyone that was born by an illegal (no matter what the case, if they were illegal, they were illegal, case closed).  Or are we going to 'grandfather' in the ones who have been here for generations.  Does this just apply to first generations? All generations? 

Its just the start of more idiocy, if you ask me.  The start of what the new AZ law is bringing and will continue to bring.


I am sorry I did not pick up on the subtle point you were making.
I agree with you that this would indeed present a rather thorny problem...could it not be applied to blacks?
The importation of slaves into this country was outlawed in 1822 I believe, so if the 14th. ammendment were to be repealed then would it not follow that all blacks who decended from slaves illegally imported after 1822 and all of their decendents would be excluded from citizenship.
With the natural miscegenation that always occures it would be possible that a great many "white" people might be deported to mexico,africa and other places not amerika.
Perhaps even ms. brewer.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 7:10:36 AM   
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Ending birthright citizenship makes a lot of sense.


No, it doesn't. It makes one a criminal by birth.

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RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birt... - 5/22/2010 7:15:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that was exactly my point.  I'm sorry, I tend to get very sarcastic when approached with things that are senseless.  I sometimes feel they wouldn't get my point, so sarcasm is all they deserve.  And if this were a law, then legally, it would apply to anyone who wasn't a Native born American (so if this law does become a law, Tazzy, the land is about to become rightfully all yours!!  )  That would include blacks (and I have to feel sorry for the black people if that were the case.  They were brought here against their will, then would be kicked out centuries later for being brought here as a foreigner...see how rediculous this can get???)

But you're right, Thompson.  This would apply to more than blacks, mexicans and other people of color.  Alot of white people (myself included) are of european descent.  My grandmother and grandfather (on both sides of the family) was born in Poland (thats were my stubborn streak comes from! ).

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