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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm all in favor of this as long as it is made retroactive all the way back to 1776 and only people who can prove they would be citizens under the new law vote for it. Of course its highly unlikely that more than a handful of congresscritters could prove they would qualify.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm all in favor of this as long as it is made retroactive all the way back to 1776 and only people who can prove they would be citizens under the new law vote for it. Of course its highly unlikely that more than a handful of congresscritters could prove they would qualify.

That wouldn't be too difficult, unless all of a person's ancestors immigrated illegally. Being born in the US to a naturalized citizen would carry just as much weight as being born in the US to a natural born citizen.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I agree with the proposal. No more legal citizenship for those who are born to illegals.

However, i do not agree with stripping away with what we gave to those who are legal at this point. We gave these children legal citizenship, right or wrong. They have done nothing to lose said citizenship, beyond being born to illegals. The error, i feel, was ours in the giving. But once given, it cannot be stripped except by the terms of the constitution.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

But... we did.

Once granted, what are the ways to lose said citizenship?

Can the government just take it away?

Or does the individual have to do something to lose it?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm all in favor of this as long as it is made retroactive all the way back to 1776 and only people who can prove they would be citizens under the new law vote for it. Of course its highly unlikely that more than a handful of congresscritters could prove they would qualify.

That wouldn't be too difficult, unless all of a person's ancestors immigrated illegally. Being born in the US to a naturalized citizen would carry just as much weight as being born in the US to a natural born citizen.

Incorrect. Virtually every immigrant came without a visa. That is what Ellis Island and the other immigration centers were for. They evaluated which illegal aliens were admitted and which weren't. If you had a visa you didn't have to go through all that. Therefore virtually every present US citizen would lose their citizenship by dent of descent from at least one non citizen.

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ORIGINAL: THELADY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm all in favor of this as long as it is made retroactive all the way back to 1776 and only people who can prove they would be citizens under the new law vote for it. Of course its highly unlikely that more than a handful of congresscritters could prove they would qualify.

That wouldn't be too difficult, unless all of a person's ancestors immigrated illegally. Being born in the US to a naturalized citizen would carry just as much weight as being born in the US to a natural born citizen.

Incorrect. Virtually every immigrant came without a visa. That is what Ellis Island and the other immigration centers were for. They evaluated which illegal aliens were admitted and which weren't. If you had a visa you didn't have to go through all that. Therefore virtually every present US citizen would lose their citizenship by dent of descent from at least one non citizen.

WRONG!  go read the history of Ellis island, all people in 3rd class went through Ellis island and if their paper work was in order and they were in good health the process took a couple hours. And not all immigrants came thru there, that was just the major port!


http://www.ellisisland.org/genealogy/ellis_island_history.asp

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Why?

If you are born here why would you not be considered a citizen?

What requirements would you put on it?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But again, this would make the child a criminal by birth.

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Tazzy, it wasn't "granted."
What's to stop a Dr. or Midwife upon learning the status of the parents from not issueing or signing a birth certificate?
Legal naturalized citizens have to go through years of jumping through hoops, all illegal aliens have to do is sneak into a foreign country and have a kid?
The 14th Amendment was drafted in 1868 to give full citizenship to freed slaves. It doesn't say anything about "granting" citizenship to the children of illegal aliens.

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Penalties
It is a Class A misdemeanor if a person knowingly discloses the medical or health information, or knowingly induces or causes another to disclose information. It is a Class C misdemeanor if a person refuses or fails to furnish any correct information in the person’s possession affecting a certificate. It is also a Class C misdemeanor if a person fails, neglects, or refuses to fill out and file a birth certificate with TER, the local registrar or deliver the certificate upon request to the person with the duty to file it. To falsely obtain, use, or alter another person’s Certificate of Birth is a third degree felony.

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Tazzy, it wasn't "granted."

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The United States follows the principle of jus soli, which automatically gives U.S. citizenship to all persons born inside the United States. This rule does not apply to the children of certain foreign diplomats in the United States but it generally applies to everyone else.

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The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in pertinent part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." This makes citizens of all persons born in the United States, provided they are subject to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of their birth - that is, they are not the children of foreign diplomats and like persons who, having diplomatic immunity, are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction while they are in the country for diplomatic purposes.

At the time the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified (1868), it excluded Aboriginal Americans because they were not considered subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and, thus, were not American citizens. Congress declared it policy to extend citizenship to all Aboriginal peoples in 1924, which was realized in 1968 with the Indian Civil Rights Act.[9]

This interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States was formally established in 1898 by a 6-2 decision the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In that case, the Court found the petitioner had been born in the United States and therefore became a U.S. citizen. This could not be revoked because his parents were not American citizens at the time of his birth, or because they made several trips to China after it.[10]

However, the Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,[11] although it is generally assumed that they are.[12] Heightened concern over illegal immigration to the United States has prompted some moves to abolish jus soli,[2][13] but these have so far failed.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Funny how those like you, who regard their Second Amendment rights as gospel, find it easy to pick and choose the rest of the Constitution.