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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:18:20 AM   
LadyNTrainer


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Perhaps i put the question badly. Sorry for misleading. What i mean is this, Do you feel as a Domme /Dom that you have the right to forbid your slave to eat? If you do this and it s consensual is it ok? Or are people who do this both wrong and bonkers and need to be reported. Or is it none of our business the extremes that both consenting adults decide to go out. After all the person consented to starve etc


Forbid someone to eat, as in, forever?   Damn, that would be stupid.  How about I just order him to shoot himself?  I mean, I *could*, and I know for a fact that my primary partner would simply do it; he cares about pleasing me and giving to me more than he cares about living.  I could also torch my own car, beat my cat to death, send all the money in my bank accounts to Nigeria, and finish things off nicely by drowning myself in a vat of crude oil while setting the top of it on fire.  But since I am neither stupid nor self-destructive, none of these things occur to me as being very good ideas. 

I mean, duuuh.   If you break your toys, you don't get to play with them any more.  That includes human property.  Why would anybody want to seriously fuck up their own stuff, unless they were throwing a self destructive emo temper tantrum?  Folks who are that out of control are not qualified to be responsible for other living creatures.

In the shorter term, even relatively short fasts tend to have a negative effect on nitrogen balance, and the majority of weight lost that way partitions to muscle tissue rather than adipose.  I don't recommend them professionally, not if you're looking to optimize your metabolism and general fitness. 

If I find it amusing to have a slave beg me for food, it will happen.  They're both excellent actors and roleplayers, and we could enjoy those emotional dynamics.  But actually doing something to screw up their metabolism and waste away pretty muscle tissue....uh, no.  They're both under orders to remain in better shape than that by eating healthy nutritious food at regular intervals.  Little or no junk food and crap, lots of basic healthy stuff. 

On the professional end, I do limit my clients' food intake and prescribe exercise, but starvation is not an effective body recomposition technique so I simply don't use it. 


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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:21:23 AM   
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I'm thinking I need to post a new thread and just get to the heart of this entire topic?

Masters, do you treat your slaves like shit and abuse them constantly because you don't give a crap about them or do you care about the people in your lives?

Now that I'm back in civilization again and so able to be around more real life M/s couples, I am struck by the disparity I see on these boards and the actuality I see in front of me. At least in my neck of the woods, every single long-term M/s couple I've met so far could readily be described as "dopey in love". I suppose it's possible a few of them might not like the word "love", but call it what they want, that'd be how I would describe the actual interactions I'm seeing.

I've been thinking the very same thing about starting a thread on the idea.  Though, I would rather you did it at this time.  I'm beginning to lose some of My patience with those who create threads based on their lack of experience, but seem to think they know everything about all of this.


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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:26:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

I'm thinking I need to post a new thread and just get to the heart of this entire topic?

Masters, do you treat your slaves like shit and abuse them constantly because you don't give a crap about them or do you care about the people in your lives?

Now that I'm back in civilization again and so able to be around more real life M/s couples, I am struck by the disparity I see on these boards and the actuality I see in front of me. At least in my neck of the woods, every single long-term M/s couple I've met so far could readily be described as "dopey in love". I suppose it's possible a few of them might not like the word "love", but call it what they want, that'd be how I would describe the actual interactions I'm seeing.

I've been thinking the very same thing about starting a thread on the idea.  Though, I would rather you did it at this time.  I'm beginning to lose some of My patience with those who create threads based on their lack of experience, but seem to think they know everything about all of this.



Can I chime in and say that I'm looking forward to this thread as well!

- LA

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:29:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look i agree it s a bit of a ridiculous thread. The only reason i started was not because i m for starvation of anyone PERIOD, but because there are some weird folks out there that do have starvation as one of their interests, glad to see that there are many sane folk too though and hopefully in the majority
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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:30:41 AM   
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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:31:46 AM   
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Of course though, dominates who dont treat their submits harshly are all fakes and wannabes, you do realise?

This message was brought to you by the One Twue Way Organisation, a charity working to support men with blistered hands and overdeveloped biceps.

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LadyEllen! Stop being a bratty Domme please ;-)

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:45:32 AM   
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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:54:12 AM   
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Vraiment desole maman

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Ha! Quel sense de l'humour fantastique ;-)

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:55:37 AM   
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Look i agree it s a bit of a ridiculous thread. The only reason i started was not because i m for starvation of anyone PERIOD, but because there are some weird folks out there that do have starvation as one of their interests, glad to see that there are many sane folk too though and hopefully in the majority


You can do starvation as a fetish or a hot scene the same as you can do castration, snuff, cannibalism and real (harmful) torture.  It's pretty simple, really.  You don't actually do it.  You just play with the idea and pretend you're doing it, or going to do it.  So you get the fun and hotness with zero harm done to anybody. 

I see nothing wrong with having any of these things as an interest, as long as you are only playing with these elements in a fantasy in the same way the author of a book or horror movie plays with them, to tell a good story and have fictional fun.  Creativity is cool.  Doing harmful, criminal things to people in real life is just stupid, and also there's simply no need for it if you and your partners are good roleplayers and storytellers. 



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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:56:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not really LA - more of a Freudian slip that accidentally got typed I think.........

Oh well. Its back to therapy for me. I obviously have a lot of issues to clear up

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 10:58:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
Look i agree it s a bit of a ridiculous thread. The only reason i started was not because i m for starvation of anyone PERIOD, but because there are some weird folks out there that do have starvation as one of their interests, glad to see that there are many sane folk too though and hopefully in the majority
kevin
OK, so this is a legitimate question. I am sure that there are people who put on their online profiles in the make-believe land of the internet that they have some fantasy about starvation. I get that.

But here's the problem. When I go to a MAST meeting what I'm seeing is a bunch of people (some couples, some poly) who are all doing this in a real life (let's define that as the place where you can smell people), 24/7, mostly cohabitation framework. In our particular MAST meeting, most or all of the families present are 5+ years (I'm pretty sure anyway). I can't reconcile 3/4 of what I read on the internet... especially collarme... and MOST especially the dating side of collarme... with what I see in front of my own eyes.

There are lots of possible explanations for that ranging from "Yeah, that's why they are still dating." to "That's because the MAST meeting I'm going to happens to be like that." or anything in between. All I know is a lot of the stuff I read implies relationships so vastly different from mine that they are quite literally beyond my comprehension. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't real. It just means it's no part of my reality or the reality of the people I socialize with. I'm fully prepared to admit that humans are way more varied than my limited comprehension can wrap around. But honestly, can you really... say... lock some one up in a cage 24/7 except when you're beating them or fucking them and have that be sustained beyond the time that the fantasy burns out? I seriously try to keep an open mind but sheez.

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:02:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree - thats my experience too L527. But for a few obvious things, most events Ive ever been to have been terribly "normal" compared to some of the material out here.

Perhaps I dont go to the right places.

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:02:57 AM   
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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:06:08 AM   
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That's upset me that has!

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:09:44 AM   
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Why does it say vanilla by my name? That's upset me that has!
It says that because the collarme content screening program has analyzed the content of your posts (all two of them) and decided that you are vanilla. The exact algorithm used is a closely held secret by the collarme site admins to avoid people gaming the system and learning how to present themselves as deranged when they are only vanilla fakes and wannabes.

I've hear another explanation also, but it seems way less plausible to me. Allegedly, it has to do with the number of posts you've made.

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:10:09 AM   
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Why does it say vanilla by my name?
That's upset me that has!


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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:56:02 AM   
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I can't reconcile 3/4 of what I read on the internet... especially collarme... and MOST especially the dating side of collarme... with what I see in front of my own eyes.


There's very little I've read on here that I haven't seen somewhere in society - directly or indirectly. You also have a lot of people that don't participate in kink communities for their own personal reasons. So you're getting a small sampling at best. There's also the reality of posting things anonymously versus saying it out in the open. I've met respectable people that traveled the scale of deviant to very fucked up. Again, what people say and do are often worlds apart.

Whether the posts are heavily influenced by sordid events is suspect. Perhaps it is a fantasy but maybe it isn't. I don't know. The outlandish types are typically the ones I'm not worried about. It's the nice guy that looks neat and normal that's usually the one with more bones in his closet. We've conversed enough for you to know I'm not talking to knuckleheads. But I'll be honest, there have been moments when that sinking feeling has set in. And I've seriously questioned if what I heard was fantasy or something darker. Most of the time it wasn't. Their line simply didn't coincide with my own.

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 11:59:31 AM   
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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 12:02:40 PM   
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We've conversed enough for you to know I'm not talking to knuckleheads.

Why on earth would you think I know that? You talk to ME for crying out loud *laughs*

More seriously, I get a lot of this stuff when it's in the context of kink. I think I figured out a long while ago that people can and do eroticize anything. A lot of those same people I refer to at my MAST meetings eroticize lots of stuff that I don't. But when I look at their actual relationship, not their sex lives, I see a bunch of reasonably normal people enjoying life.

For instance, I totally get that some people liked getting put in cages. No issue there, no questions. But when the statement is, "locked in a cage 24/7" that is life, not fantasy. By definition, it is ALL of life.

But yeah, in the end I kind of go with "The world is weirder than I know and in a lot of cases, want to know"

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RE: Would you starve a slave or deny them food for a pe... - 5/23/2010 12:03:51 PM   
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Fasting is good for health.
Got to be cruel to be kind.

Check out the Essene Gospel Of Peace.


No, it is demonstrably not good for health.  You may do it for spiritual purposes if you choose, but confusing religious belief with medical and scientific fact is a grave mistake.  It is wiser to consult modern medical sources and science rather than old religious texts when it comes to determining what is and is not physiologically, medically harmful. 

If you prefer to cure your baby's fever by covering its chest in a plaster of powdered crocodile dung instead of taking it to the hospital, feel free.  Just be prepared to be brought up on charges when people figure out that you are trusting ancient religious prescriptions over modern medical science.  It's a very bad idea to get these things confused.


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