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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Diem Bien Phu was in 1954 .... about seven years before Kennedy began "officially" sending in Sp Ops. I think there is historical concensus (me and a couple other guys ) we were wiping up the shit left by French Colonialism (by stupidly substituting American Colonialism)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

True Dom, but that theory only works if there are jobs. Have you looked for a job lately ? I got word yesterday, that my job as I know it ends in August, and I have no idea what to do as of yet. Now mind you that I can build you a house, even a car, and up until digital broadcasting, a TV. I am not without skill. But to turn skill into money, someone has to have the money to spend.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Is there a reason why those immigrants cannot be added by going through the legal process?  The quotas are flexible, the law is not.

I wouldn't disagree. But any of the immigration that we need is going to be a messy thing that We as born Americans aren't going to jump up and down and love. Consider when your Grandfather came and the last great influxes of the late 1900's. There were riots in many cities between groups and tensions with the Born Americans of that age.

I guess I worry that there seems to be such a movement afoot to hold onto what is percieved is our Founding Fathers values or intentions. It is a futile struggle. This country will change and has changed with all these years. The best we can do is accept and work with the framework that they laid down and try to do the best we can as a Nation. At some point Spanish will be the legal language. I think we better get used to it

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
No one wants to obey the laws, learn the language or blend their cultures into what we refered to as the 'melting pot'.  People seem to be more interested in being divided into hyphanated groups of victims.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

That's actually pretty true. My father came to the US from Germany in the 1950's, when Hitler was still fresh in everyone's mind. And my aunt married a man from Moscow in the middle of the Cold War.

That's one of the big issues that I have with illegal immigration - I'm a legal immigrant, I have family members who were legal immigrants, and there's a process. I'm not entirely against amnesty, for people who have been in the US a long time and have settled into the US as their home, but at the same time amnesty for long-term migrants isn't the same as shrugging at the continual influx of new illegal immigrants.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

See, this is what I don't get. Do you believe the process that your father went through and to which your Aunt's husband were subjected is the same for illegal immigrants today? You're anti-immigration for others that may be saving their own lives as your relatives likely did?

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Everybody wants to shut the door once they're in. Humanists, we're not. Opportunists are applauded only after it's a done deal. Then it's a capitalistic dream. Once you're here, it's an affront and an outrage that anyone else would try to do the same. Why are you folks the most maligned? Why can't you empathize, having it in your so recent past?

They're no different than your relatives. They want to come for better things. They're doing the best they can with what they have to work with.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

And what is your emergency in needing something to do about it? How are you harmed? What fucks up your day?

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I'm 1/8th native American. Cherokee. Trail of tears for my relatives.

Ain't we ironic?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Explains your hatred of the Steelers.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

You don't mean native Americans didn't fight for it?

You don't mean "our" land will be taken by illegal aliens?

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"If we're going to have things like borders and nationalities and immigration departments then we have to draw a line between "legal" and "illegal" immigration."

What would you like to do? (Given that you've had the benefit of your Father's immigration.)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: subtee

You don't mean native Americans didn't fight for it?

You don't mean "our" land will be taken by illegal aliens?

No, I mean they did. You seem to think it's justified that they did.

Why isn't it justified for the US to?

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Do you think the above should reflect current US immigration policy?
& Do you think it ever reflected US immigration policy, or was it poetic lip service?

I think the inscription is symbolic rather than literal. It is definitely very inspirational.


Do you think there should be limits on immigration to the US, in any form? By limits I mean anything - a limit on the number of people allowed to come, language requirements, education/job skill requirements, criminal background checks, etc.

There should be criminal background check and the equivalent of a high school education and/or needed employment skills for adult immigrants. There should also be a current version of a guest worker program for unskilled labor.


Do you think the US is still the 'land of opportunity' where anyone willing to work hard enough can succeed?

No. Much of the American Dream has eroded with the loss of manufacturing jobs and the middle class. We are increasingly becoming a class based society of the very wealthy and the working poor.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Diem Bien Phu was in 1954 .... about seven years before Kennedy began "officially" sending in Sp Ops. I think there is historical concensus (me and a couple other guys ) we were wiping up the shit left by French Colonialism (by stupidly substituting American Colonialism)