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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Did the crime get me the car?

No, so you're right. However, if I were a car thief...

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If a business is built through crime why allow the criminal to keep the proceeds when apprehended, is the thinking. Or property acquired through criminal enterprise, its ill-gotten gain.

And how is prison time more kind than seizing property? 

Should the state take you car is your insurance dropped?


NO.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

OK then repeal rico and give the dopers and the mafia back all of their shit./snip\

being that we have one standard for the elite- another for the rest of us-  cool.  yeah.   DONE.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
You want to go easy on this fellow who has commited a felony but you never seemed to feel it was ok to go easy on the illegal alien who had only commited a misdemeanor....kinda points to your agenda...ya phoquing bigot.

I have no problem with the jail time or fine with this guy.

Do you really think that 5 years in jail and $250k fine is "going easy" yet returning someone to their country of legal residence (which isn't even punitive btw) is unfair?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Wasn't that the whole thrust of the war on drugs in the first place?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Stop right there young lady...I have never said that returning illegal aliens to their country of origin was wrong.
The newspaper article has it wrong. The federal law has been posted here many times. The law provides for a five year and/or $10,000 for each illegal. The article says he had 12 illegals. That is 60 years no parole and/or $120,000. Of course the law does allow for more time and fine depending on the number of illegal aliens employed.
The article goes on to state he has been in business for 31 years and he claims that the 12 are but a fraction of the hundreds of employes he has over the course of the 31 years. If it can be shown that he consistantly employed illegals durring the majority of the 31 years that might lead to confiscation.
Your unashamed bigotry is appalling.

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Fast Reply -

Ahem, folks please stay on topic. There is plenty to cover on this issue already.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Stop right there young lady...I have never said that returning illegal aliens to their country of origin was wrong.
The newspaper article has it wrong. The federal law has been posted here many times. The law provides for a five year and/or $10,000 for each illegal. The article says he had 12 illegals. That is 60 years no parole and/or $120,000. Of course the law does allow for more time and fine depending on the number of illegal aliens employed.
The article goes on to state he has been in business for 31 years and he claims that the 12 are but a fraction of the hundreds of employes he has over the course of the 31 years. If it can be shown that he consistantly employed illegals durring the majority of the 31 years that might lead to confiscation.
Your unashamed bigotry is appalling.

Okay, well then 60 years and $120k, which is a lot worse than 5 years and $250k, and infinitely worse than being sent back to your country of legal residence.

And if you don't think that returning someone to their country of legal residence is wrong what exactly are you calling me a "bigot" about?

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

IMO, jailing the restaurant owner and seizing his property goes too far because of the economic impact on the local economy.

Isn't that the same argument used to justify illegal immigration?


I am fine with him paying fines and being checked by ICE on a regular basis. But the taxpayers will pay for a trial and any jail/prison time.

What this man is doing is keeping slaves.
Do you want to not prosecute murders because it might cost the taxpayers money....look how much tax payers money was spent on oj simpson's murder trial.

And why a private business? Why not go after a chain restaurant? Or a major hotel chain?

Arent those private businesses?
I would have prefered,as I stated earlier, to see them go after the big boys in the slavery game like adm,cargill,tyson foods,wallmart...


And if his business closes all the taxes and paychecks it provides goes away in that community too.

Not at all, the business will be sold and new employers will then employ free labor and the tax revenues will go up.

If his long term workers have no record of criminal activities in the form of theft, robbery, violence, etc then they would be good candidates for amnesty. Again, I understand the sentiment of making a public example for political points but am thinking about the economic effects to that community.

Of course you are...just another pc bigot


IME living in California, the majority of restaurant and hotel workers behind the scenes are immigrants.

Do you always equate brown skin with illegal aliens...you were aware that there are tens of millions of u.s. citizens of latino extraction.


If most of them were deported there would be a severe labor shortage and potential increase in prices for these goods and services.

Cry me a phoquing river

Most people born and raised here seem to think that working as a maid, janitor, bus person (removing dirty dishes), dishwasher, laundry workers, etc is too hard, too dirty and beneath them.

That is a crock of shit...citizens refuse to compete with slave labor for a job.
With the slave labor gone then the pay will reflect the value of the work. If that raises the cost of goods and services then it was because slave labor was subsidizing the enterprise.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I think taking everything he owns is better than sending him to jail...jail is a whole other expense and he probably wont even get jail time...keep jails for the people who are a danger physcially/mentally to the public.
keep an eye on his wealth and income for a few years... White collar assholes get off easy
fuck him in the pocket,

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval
IMO, jailing the restaurant owner and seizing his property goes too far because of the economic impact on the local economy. I am fine with him paying fines and being checked by ICE on a regular basis. But the taxpayers will pay for a trial and any jail/prison time.

And why a private business? Why not go after a chain restaurant? Or a major hotel chain?

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And if his business closes all the taxes and paychecks it provides goes away in that community too. If his long term workers have no record of criminal activities in the form of theft, robbery, violence, etc then they would be good candidates for amnesty. Again, I understand the sentiment of making a public example for political points but am thinking about the economic effects to that community.

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IME living in California, the majority of restaurant and hotel workers behind the scenes are immigrants. If most of them were deported there would be a severe labor shortage and potential increase in prices for these goods and services. Most people born and raised here seem to think that working as a maid, janitor, bus person (removing dirty dishes), dishwasher, laundry workers, etc is too hard, too dirty and beneath them.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

You want to go easy on this fellow who has commited a felony but you never seemed to feel it was ok to go easy on the illegal alien who had only commited a misdemeanor....kinda points to your agenda...ya phoquing bigot.

What part of that was unclear?

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Personally I think taking everything he owns is better than sending him to jail...jail is a whole other expense and he probably wont even get jail time...keep jails for the people who are a danger physcially/mentally to the public.
keep an eye on his wealth and income for a few years... White collar assholes get off easy
fuck him in the pocket,

OMFG not you too ...you are breaking my heart baby.
This piece of shit is a slaver I say fuck him in the wallet and let bubba noneck fuck him in the ass.
Sixty years in the joint is not near enough.

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That does make sense, but I guess they're using him as an example and I really can't be too upset over him going to jail...yeah I think 60 years is pretty crazy but a year or two not so much, if it is true that he was told that his workers SSN's were bad and didn't do anything about it.