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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yeah- lets have Pedro make you a Margarita.


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yeah- lets have Pedro make you a Margarita.


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Centenario anejo por favor.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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At least I could sleep at night under Reagan.   The country was fun back then.  Now it is a nut show.

Exactly. Actually, I could still sleep at night if all this country is now is a nut show but the "nuts" running the "show" in this country now aren't "nuts" at all but, rather, they are elitist progressives who know exactly what they are doing...employing Saul Alinski's "Rules for Radicals" to implement the "Cloward-Pevin Strategy" in order to fundamentally transform the United States of America into the United Socialist States of America.

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My point, is that the marketplace in America demands low wage labor for certain things like low skilled labor. We could attract Americans to these fields by increasing the minimum wage, but that seems politically unpopular.

So we settle for an unworkable solution, which is to set immigration quotas artificially low, yet patronize businesses that use undocumented workers, all with a wink and a nod.

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From the article cited it seems unlikely that his business will be forfiet. If they had targeted tyson foods,cargil,adm,wallmart or any major employer of illegal aliens then confiscation becomes a real possibility.

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Most people born and raised here seem to think that working as a maid, janitor, bus person (removing dirty dishes), dishwasher, laundry workers, etc is too hard, too dirty and beneath them.

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OK, I will wade into this once again. I posted on another thread (which I can't find now) that we have no problem with a globalized economy, where capital and property flow effortlessly across borders, but somehow labor cannot.

Let look at an example-
Suppose I own a cabinet shop, making kitchen cabinets for houses. If I hire Mexican craftsmen to build them, I am a criminal. The craftsmen live in Los Angeles, spend their paychecks in LA, pay SS taxes (paying into other peoples accounts!) and in general, act just like any American citizen living and working in LA.

If I move the shop to Mexico and have those very same craftsmen build them, I am a clever businessman, entitled to enjoy my profits. The craftsmen live in Mexico, pay Mexican taxes, spend all their money in Mexico.

So which scenario is preferable?

Oh, and by the way- with a globalized economy, using American craftsmen is NOT an option. sorry, the cabinet marketplace demands low-wage labors.

My point, is that the marketplace in America demands low wage labor for certain things like low skilled labor. We could attract Americans to these fields by increasing the minimum wage, but that seems politically unpopular.

So we settle for an unworkable solution, which is to set immigration quotas artificially low, yet patronize businesses that use undocumented workers, all with a wink and a nod.

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There ya go...this is all Bush's fault too. Never in my 67 years have I known a POTUS and their supporters to blame so many things for so long on their immediate predecessor.

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IMO, jailing the restaurant owner and seizing his property goes too far because of the economic impact on the local economy. I am fine with him paying fines and being checked by ICE on a regular basis. But the taxpayers will pay for a trial and any jail/prison time.
So if someone commits a crime, we shouldn't have a trial, because it will cost too much?

And why a private business? Why not go after a chain restaurant? Or a major hotel chain?
Personally I think they should go after any business that is operating illegally. Not sure what difference it makes if it's a chain or single owner.


And if his business closes all the taxes and paychecks it provides goes away in that community too. If his long term workers have no record of criminal activities in the form of theft, robbery, violence, etc then they would be good candidates for amnesty. Again, I understand the sentiment of making a public example for political points but am thinking about the economic effects to that community.

IME living in California, the majority of restaurant and hotel workers behind the scenes are immigrants. If most of them were deported there would be a severe labor shortage and potential increase in prices for these goods and services. Most people born and raised here seem to think that working as a maid, janitor, bus person (removing dirty dishes), dishwasher, laundry workers, etc is too hard, too dirty and beneath them.
I think it's just great that you folks in California have this amazingly cheap labor force. But do you honestly think its ok to keep paying them lower wages and offering lousy work conditions just to keep your states bottom line in the black. Don't you care about the thousands of illegals who are being forced into slave labor situations just to keep the cost of fruit down?

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My point, is that the marketplace in America demands low wage labor for certain things like low skilled labor. We could attract Americans to these fields by increasing the minimum wage, but that seems politically unpopular.

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Typically your front of house staff at a restaurant or hotel is US born and the janitors, maids, laundry, etc are immigrants. And this is true for small businesses through the big mega-chains.

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That does make sense, but I guess they're using him as an example and I really can't be too upset over him going to jail...yeah I think 60 years is pretty crazy but a year or two not so much, if it is true that he was told that his workers SSN's were bad and didn't do anything about it.

Ain't you just the little blond haired blue eyed bigot.
You have no problem chucking an illegal alien back across the boarder and making him wait ten years to get in a 25 year long waiting line to apply for legal entry but you think a slaver should not be punished more severly.
You are a real piece of work girl.