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LaTigresse -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 8:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I decided at the beginning of this oil spill, that now might be a great time to give up seafood. Now, that is has gone on almost 40 days and I look at the devastation it has caused, I have no doubt about not eating seafood. Anyone else decided to stop eating seafood due to the oil spill? Soon it will be easier to list what I will eat, rather than what I won't eat. I just don't trust the government totally, never have. At least if I stop eating seafood, I won't have to spend a long time trying to figure out where it came from. Understand, I had thought about giving up seafood for a few years, but now this oil spill is the icing on the "seafood" cake for me. Who knows about what other toxins are being dumped in the ocean we are not even told about? Anyone else craving a veggie burger? There are toxins in everything we eat. I have no intention of giving up seafood unless I cannot afford it or whatever it is, becomes an endangered species.

Marini -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 9:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda This spill only covers a fifth of a percent or so of the total surface area of the Earth's oceans (just a quick calculation in my head, going from memory, and assuming a slick of 500x500 miles). In terms of volume, the total volume of the world's oceans is .3 billion cubic miles, and even in a worst case scenario, the total amount of oil leaked from this spill is the equivalent of only 60 Olympic-sized swimming pools. Granted, that's a lot of oil in one small area, but distributed among the world's oceans, it might as well be a few drops. This is a local catastrophe and a regional crisis, but globally, it's a total non-event. How long will the leak have to puke oil into the gulf before it becomes a global crissis? I do not need an exact figure ..."just a quick calculation in my head, going from memory, and assuming..." It does not have to even be in the ballpark I would settle for anything in the same zip code. Sorry PandaMan, this is one of the few times I agree with the tX man. As I watch the news, and see this horrific oil spill "spreading" to Florida's beaches and wildlife, my thoughts return to "ecosystems". I didn't elaborate as much as I should have with my OP: my concern is not just the "oil spill", but the possible permanent damages to "ecosystems", there are ramifications that will not be known for years, if not decades. Ecosystems involve the living things that interact with ALL elements of their environment. Ecosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I think many people can't even fathom the damages that are occuring. Even when this oil spill is stopped, the oceans and sealife could be affected forever to a certain extent. Many ecosystems will be damaged forever, what are the long term effects on the beaches, ocean and marine animals...{the ecosystems}? Oil Spill Update \| Deep Sea News Physics professor: Oil leak could last for years \| Raw Story U.S. Beaches That The Oil Spill May Ruin Forever Simulation shows oil moving up East Coast \| Green Tech - CNET News I am not buying what you said Panda, sorry, we can agree to disagree this time. I think it is going to be far more serious, and widespread than what you stated, especially if the oil spill continues for a longer period of time.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda This spill only covers a fifth of a percent or so of the total surface area of the Earth's oceans (just a quick calculation in my head, going from memory, and assuming a slick of 500x500 miles). In terms of volume, the total volume of the world's oceans is .3 billion cubic miles, and even in a worst case scenario, the total amount of oil leaked from this spill is the equivalent of only 60 Olympic-sized swimming pools. Granted, that's a lot of oil in one small area, but distributed among the world's oceans, it might as well be a few drops. This is a local catastrophe and a regional crisis, but globally, it's a total non-event. How long will the leak have to puke oil into the gulf before it becomes a global crissis? I do not need an exact figure ..."just a quick calculation in my head, going from memory, and assuming..." It does not have to even be in the ballpark I would settle for anything in the same zip code. A lot more than 70 swimming pools' worth, that's for sure (which is probably about how much has leaked thus far). There might be a point where, if it continues leaking, this reservoir would have a significant global impact, but at 1.3 swimming pools per day, it would take many years - probably decades. There are 300,000,000 cubic miles of ocean in the world, and thus far the Horizon well has leaked .0004 cubic miles of oil. If it keeps leaking at that rate, I'd speculate that it would never have a significant global impact, because the oil would be broken down by nature before sufficient quantities could accumulate.

Marini -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:12:05 PM)
Seriously Panda, you really don't think that this oil spill will not have serious long term effects on many "ecosystems"? You sound like you think this devasation is confined to a certain "area", and that water is not fluid, you sound like the contaiminated area is "confined", come on now. Do you work for the government? I sure as hell ain't buying it.

popeye1250 -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:14:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Seriously Panda, you really don't think that this oil spill will not have serious long term effects on many "ecosystems"? You sound like you think this devasation is confined to a certain "area", and that water is not fluid, you sound like the contaiminated area is "confined", come on now. Do you work for the government? I sure as hell ain't buying it. Marini, I'm having LOBSTER when I head up to N.H. in August!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:16:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Sorry PandaMan, this is one of the few times I agree with the tX man. As I watch the news, and see this horrific oil spill "spreading" to Florida's beaches and wildlife, my thoughts return to "ecosystems". I didn't elaborate as much as I should have with my OP: my concern is not just the "oil spill", but the possible permanent damages to "ecosystems", there are ramifications that will not be known for years, if not decades. Ecosystems involve the living things that interact with ALL elements of their environment. I think many people can't even fathom the damages that are occuring. Even when this oil spill is stopped, the oceans and sealife could be affected forever to a certain extent. Many ecosystems will be damaged forever, what are the long term effects on the beaches, ocean and marine animals...{the ecosystems}? I am not buying what you said Panda, sorry, we can agree to disagree this time. I think it is going to be far more serious, and widespread than what you stated, especially if the oil spill continues for a longer period of time. Sorry, Marina, but this is not even close to being on that scale, and it never will be. It's just simple math. It would have to flow for a solid year at the current rate in order to match the volume of the Gulf War Oil Spill, which is the largest oil spill in history, and which has not had any noticeable global effect. Even the regional effects of that oil spill were relatively minimal, and in most respects the Persian Gulf ecosystem has already recovered. This spill will be stopped within 6 months at the worst, and while that will cause catastrophic damage to certain portions of the Gulf of Mexico ecosystem, it won't come close to doing significant damage on a global scale. It's simply impossible.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Seriously Panda, you really don't think that this oil spill will not have serious long term effects on many "ecosystems"? You sound like you think this devasation is confined to a certain "area", and that water is not fluid, you sound like the contaiminated area is "confined", come on now. Do you work for the government? I sure as hell ain't buying it. I'm not saying the spill will be confined, I'm saying it will be diluted. This isn't even a matter of opinion; there's simply no question about it. Do the math. .0004 cubic miles of oil distributed throughout 300,000,000 cubic miles of seawater. It's simple. There is absolutely no way that that infinitesimal amount of oil could possibly have an effect on 300,000,000 cubic miles of ocean. Period. Impossible.

Marini -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:26:33 PM)
I see what the problem is now, PandaBear. I never said anything about a "global impact", of course it would need to flow for a few years to achieve anything near that. I really don't know where the discussion turned to a "global impact". A lot of my OP was about, I don't know where the hell the LOCAL seafood I eat or buy comes from, and I do live on the Atlantic Coast of the USA. *{I live in Virginia, about a 12 hour drive to Florida.}* Those of us in the Gulf Coast Area or on the East Coast, that want to CONTINUE to eat local fish and seafood products,{even AFTER they stop this oil spill} should certainly continue to eat and enjoy it! I often like to create posts, that are my thoughts and opinions, that is all. The OP was more or less, a decison that I made and why I made it. I am saying it will have a serious, serious, impact on the area of origination, and it is now spreading up the Atlantic Coast. The oil spill is mainly affecting North America, I certainly never said it was global at this time. Often online, people take statements and run with them. If you make one point, people will take it and run and turn it into 50 statements that you did not say. I am talking about ecosystems in North America, along the Gulf Shore and Atlantic Coast at this time, not the entire earth. [sm=meh.gif] I still stand by the fact that small changes in "ecosystems" can have long term and lasting effects. I also question the short term/and long term effects on the "seafood" that survives. Oh well, I am enjoying the conversation.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Giving up eating seafood permanently or for a while due to Oil Spill? (6/4/2010 10:56:51 PM)
Yeah, i see what you mean, then. I agree, it's not going to be good for the Eastern Seaboard, but still it's probably not going to have too severe an effect there. By the time it carries around the tip of Florida, most of the volatile organic compounds will have evaporated out, and that's the most toxic component. It'll mostly be tar balls and sludge, which is bad news of course, but not as lethal as the fresh oil. I just hope those damned relief wells hit the target fairly quickly. If they have to keep pulling back and probing forward, this could go on for months after they reach depth.

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