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Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 8:17:34 PM   
Bobanna


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I was wondering how many subs/slaves have found themselves in a relationship where the person they thought was their Master/Dom/Domme (or hiding under the title of Master/Dom/Domme) actually turned out to be an abuser. (Out of control, violent, emotionally abusive, sexually abusive)  If so, how did you handle it?  What was the changing behavior of the Top that made you think they were one way, but they actually turned out to be abusive?  (btw, I myself am NOT in this type of relationship -------> but was curious to find out how often this mistake is made.)

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:01:48 PM   
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I have been in two such relationships, and was not abused in either..

Violence against women is rampant in this country... so I do not think this is a lifestyle problem, it is a cultural one within our nation


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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:11:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobanna

I was wondering how many PEOPLE have found themselves in a relationship where the person they thought was their LOVING PARTNER actually turned out to be an abuser. (Out of control, violent, emotionally abusive, sexually abusive)  If so, how did you handle it? 
I substituted words and the sentence made the same sense. Abuse is not a problem related to BDSM D/s. It's problem related to society.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:12:50 PM   
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My very first one, many many moons ago. As I recall, the net outcome was two black eyes, a bloody nose, bruises around my neck, and him being escorted out of my apartment by some of the boys in blue while screaming "But the fucking bitch ASKED for it". I suppose you could say it ended badly. Drove me straight into the arms of the first nice nilla guy that asked me out.


ETA: my very first kinky relationship. The changing behavior was easy to identify: his increased alcohol use, and starting with the drugs. He got completely out of control when I tried to talk to him about it.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:33:13 PM   
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I am asking in the context of a submissive going into a relationship where the person (Top) is hiding behind the label of Master/Dom/Domme and may blatantly state the sub will be struck, called names, and so on ... but there is a hidden anger or rage involved on the Tops side.  Using BDSM can be a way for abusers to contact people who maybe more susceptible to being lured into a place where the submissive may not be able to differentiate between good play or tpe and bad play (maybe they are new or just naive)  until they realize.. hey theres something wrong here ... I understand abuse can happen everywhere and  in every type of relationship, but I'm asking in the context of a D/s BDSM situation.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:45:55 PM   
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I  would have to say that that what the OP is asking about DOES exist in the lifestyle.  It also exists in vanilla relationships, and in society at large, but it is somewhat easier to hide in a BDSM lifestyle.  Specifically, there ARE those who enjoy inflicting pain.  Some call that sadistic.  I call it abusive.

There is a difference between erotic pain, and pain just for the "pleasure" of the person inflicting the pain, when that act comes from a place of anger and being out of control.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:49:15 PM   
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Are you actually saying that you think sadists that go beyond "erotic pain" are abusive? Or only when the act comes from anger and/or being out of control?

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:50:36 PM   
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I met with a top once and ended up being assaulted and almost raped. He was a good learning experience of people who hide behind the term "dominant" but are actually abusive. A dominant friend of mine helped me learn the difference between a dominant and an abuser. He was definitely dominant but he also had an abusive side he kept under very strict control. Once he worked through his anger issues he was no longer abusive but still had that dominant side to him. I watched him through his transformation and saw the things to look for in a naturally dominant person who had abusive tendancies. It's helped a lot through the years. Also helped that I was married to an abusive SOB who liked to think he was dominant but was actually a self-serving, narcisist with submissive tendancies.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 9:54:08 PM   
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Like every one of them ends up to be a stalker and too much.

Sick of it!

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:10:23 PM   
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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:11:54 PM   
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Of course not every one of them does. But we've seen examples here in the forums of men who become "doms" because they hate women. Is it such a stretch to admit there are abusers hiding in dom's clothing? There most certainly are.

I haven't experienced this personally, but I was extremely slow and careful in my choices.

Ymmv.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:16:04 PM   
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quote:

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This is some good, sexy time stalking

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:17:33 PM   
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Most people are so excited to indulge in the lifestyle that they will jump into a relationship with someone they otherwise wouldn't because it's their chance to scratch an itch or live a dream.

So they end up with someone who abuses them. It's a sad story way too high of a percentage of women on this site will tell.


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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:19:41 PM   
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How do you feel about archeology?

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:20:22 PM   
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LOL

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:47:11 PM   
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How do you feel about archeology?


Man... I try to stay on topic for a post to make sure the moderators don't kick me out like a Mormon trying to get into a country club and I can't even do that.

Archeology is a great thing, my child. Fossils are nature's Good Book and on them is scribed the greatest story ever told.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/3/2010 10:59:21 PM   
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To the OP: of course this happens in vanilla and in D/s relationships.  I was with someone for a very long time  that I loved who changed during the course of the relationship. As he grew more secure in his interest in BDSM, he became less able to control his anger, which was better hidden before he felt able to express it as a Top. (I was his first sub).

The problem was his slowly changing nature and the confusion it caused me to be happy with our roles within our D/s relationship, yet the more I recognized that he was becoming abusive in and out of the bedroom, the more I knew I had to get out. And I finally did, but not without some real soul searching as to why I stayed so long.

How I knew he was becoming abusive was his inability to stop when I said no, his increased sadism and his utter lack of concern as to my feelings and well being physically. All this while he kept telling me how much he loved me. It was obvious but I kept hoping it would change, and it did not.

So, yes it goes on and it will NEVER happen again to me.


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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/4/2010 12:25:42 AM   
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So, yes it goes on and it will NEVER happen again to me.


yep, I am in no way hesitant to  call 911 if I feel even the SLIGHTEST bit threatened physically.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/4/2010 1:19:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

To the OP: of course this happens in vanilla and in D/s relationships.  I was with someone for a very long time  that I loved who changed during the course of the relationship. As he grew more secure in his interest in BDSM, he became less able to control his anger, which was better hidden before he felt able to express it as a Top. (I was his first sub).

The problem was his slowly changing nature and the confusion it caused me to be happy with our roles within our D/s relationship, yet the more I recognized that he was becoming abusive in and out of the bedroom, the more I knew I had to get out. And I finally did, but not without some real soul searching as to why I stayed so long.

How I knew he was becoming abusive was his inability to stop when I said no, his increased sadism and his utter lack of concern as to my feelings and well being physically. All this while he kept telling me how much he loved me. It was obvious but I kept hoping it would change, and it did not.

So, yes it goes on and it will NEVER happen again to me.



Reading on from the ops question, this was the post that jumped out at me.

Most abusers within vanilla relationships have anger issues. They may drink too much and become violent and disrespectful under the influence of alcohol. They may have an inferiority complex or a general disregard for women. They take out their shit on the person they are closest to and that is often a wife or lover but they usually don't like that dark and uncontrollable part of them. Its often none sexual. They are usually sorry after and when under pressure, they often seek help.

What I read in the above post was something slightly different from the general woman abuser. A man who gets off sexually on none consensual abuse, is a dangerous man within this lifestyle. A man who is so intent on carrying out his dark sexual fantasies by making a woman suffer in his hands with no regard for her welfare or enjoyment, is the sort of abuser that is far more likely to take a dominant route to find what he needs.
If the abuse is of a sexual nature, he/she is more likely to google certain words that would bring him to places like this. If its not sexual (and more often than not it isn't) then he is less likely to come looking for something within this lifestyle. The sorded fantasy has to be there in the first place.

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RE: Doms/Masters who were actually abusers - 6/4/2010 4:36:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobanna
Using BDSM can be a way for abusers to contact people who maybe more susceptible to being lured into a place where the submissive may not be able to differentiate between good play or tpe and bad play (maybe they are new or just naive)  until they realize.. hey theres something wrong here ...



I'm betting the rates are the same as in the society at large. Because otherwise every dungeon and munch would be infested with these men. And that means they would have to have sufficient self control to come off in public as good guys while being anything but it in private. And that level of self control isn't common in an abuser.

Besides you will see it when he insists you stop reading anything about bdsm and just listen to him, that you can't have other sub friends to bounce questions off, etc. And that isolationist stuff is the same as used among vanilla abusers. Being new to whips and chains does not mean you are new to life. If it's wrong in a vanilla relationship then it's wrong here, a relationship is a relationship is a relationship. Honesty, mutual respect, open communication are needed no matter what you do in bed.


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