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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:00:14 AM   
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So, how would you define that as being over-educated?

Because you could not get a job that you did not want anyway?

What if you did not have that education and BK was your only option?


Over-educated in this context means whatever the manager who hires workers defines it to be.  In today's labor situation good offers may not come. The trick to get work is obvious: reduce your education level in the resume.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:13:25 AM   
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I find it ironic that those with a "higher" education, some of which were making damn good money, are the one's now bitterly complaining about their fallen status.

All i can say is... welcome to reality, learn to live within your means like the working poor do.


But the working poor never took the steps to try and better themselves.

The economy will turn around and those with a higher education and work ethic will once again be making the money while the working poor will be struggling to live within their means.

It's how it works.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:18:58 AM   
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Well, you have to figure the costs. That guy in the article had to have loans from undergrad to pay still.
When I graduated I was thinking about continuing on and getting an MBA but even back then in the 80's it was expensive, $75 k if I remember correctly.
It wouldn't surprise me if it costs $150k these days.
So, you've got all that debt service which can take 20 years to pay off plus try to support a family on $50k per year? It doesn't compute.
Your loan payments could be a huge nut every month!
I dropped that idea and took a job in sales with a big insurance co.


Way to use one guy's misfortune as being the reality for all Americans. The economy sucks. Plenty of people are struggling at the moment.

Maybe the guy is a complete tool who is not employable beyond his current duties? There is a strong probability that is the case.

No one is going to college to support their family on 50k for the next twenty years.

It goes to show how you have no idea of reality.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:22:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is also the assumption that because you gained an education you are entitled to higher wages. In a perfect world, that would be a correct assumption.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:26:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It pretty much works in this world as well. There are plenty of success stories about people dramatically succeeding without any advanced degrees. However, In many occupations the depth of knowledge is so vast that a degree is required.

McDonalds and the good folks at CVS aren't really concerned about you pursuing your nursing degree from the University of Illinois.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The store managers are. While i cant say this goes for every chain, most restaurant managers are paid by salary and bonuses. One of those bonuses is retention. If you are persuing a nursing degree while working at McD's (if they have this bonus) then they know they have you for a few years. Someone with a degree can be there a week and gone the next.

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It pretty much works in this world as well. There are plenty of success stories about people dramatically succeeding without any advanced degrees. However, In many occupations the depth of knowledge is so vast that a degree is required.


You misunderstood. Employers will encourage their employees to persue higher education. No one stated they would try and deter them. What im saying is that just because you got a college degree doesnt ensure you the occupation you studied for, or that a high paying job will always be available.

Double Major, Business and Accounting, ready to go into banking. Had many interviews, a few offers, was excited for graduation. Then, boom, the S&L bailout. No more jobs for new grads. Back up and punt again.

Life is full of disappointments, careers being one of them. The less educated, in this job market, have a better shot at least for a job making minimum.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:37:47 AM   
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Funny, now China and India need managers because they've shipped our factories there, so maybe many of the managers here are in the wrong place.
They could go over there and work seven days a week for $25 a week and end up jumping out of windows.


Popeye can you imagine the result if a Chinese toy company CEO goes to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce and says” We are closing our plants in Wuhan and moving to Burundi because we want more profit and pay less tax”

What they would do to him is what we should have done to our greedy industrialists. In some ways the Chinese system is better than ours.

Butch

PS... and could be impossible to compete with for just the above reason.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 11:15:16 AM   
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So, how would you define that as being over-educated?
Overeducated and overqualified boil down to the same thing.


Because you could not get a job that you did not want anyway?
Just because I didn't want the job, did not mean I didn't need the job. Something about all those pesky bill collectors. Now are you saying because it wasn't my ideal job, that I shouldn't have wanted to be able to support myself. I had no clue I was about to be offered a job that payed 3 times the salary.

What if you did not have that education and BK was your only option?
Well, when I was 18 and didn't have work experience, they hired me. It was my only option and I had no problem with that. In fact it was one of the things that inspired me to get more education so I didn't have to work a minimum wage job the rest of my life.


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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 11:20:25 AM   
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There is also the assumption that because you gained an education you are entitled to higher wages. In a perfect world, that would be a correct assumption.


I had a girlfriend who felt that way. She was extremely pissed when she found out my nephew who didn't go to college was making more than she was with her masters. She also wasn't too happy with the fact that I made more, but she said she understood because I had work experience to help and some college.

Oh and for those who keep track of these things, she's a liberal.


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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 12:34:44 PM   
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Or desperate for a job.  A lot of places wouldn't have hired him, since he's "overqualified".

It's kind of crazy that I hear "well, you should take any job you can find so you're not mooching off government unemployment pay", and when they do they're mocked for it.



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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 4:26:01 PM   
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Funny, now China and India need managers because they've shipped our factories there, so maybe many of the managers here are in the wrong place.
They could go over there and work seven days a week for $25 a week and end up jumping out of windows.


Popeye can you imagine the result if a Chinese toy company CEO goes to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce and says” We are closing our plants in Wuhan and moving to Burundi because we want more profit and pay less tax”

What they would do to him is what we should have done to our greedy industrialists. In some ways the Chinese system is better than ours.

Butch

PS... and could be impossible to compete with for just the above reason.


Once the Chinese no longer have the market cornered on cheap labor, which might be never. They will be shopping for new economies to handle their work load. Or they will just conquer that nation and take over their country and their work force.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 9:54:22 PM   
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So, how would you define that as being over-educated?

Because you could not get a job that you did not want anyway?

What if you did not have that education and BK was your only option?


Over-educated in this context means whatever the manager who hires workers defines it to be.  In today's labor situation good offers may not come. The trick to get work is obvious: reduce your education level in the resume.




Ha! Now that would be funny!
"Well Mr Scott, we've done a little checking and we found out that you went to COLLEGE didn't you?"
"No, no, I didn't, really, I'm stupid, I mean "common!"



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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 10:09:28 PM   
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Making damn good money doesn't mean that they weren't living within their means.
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I find it ironic that those with a "higher" education, some of which were making damn good money, are the one's now bitterly complaining about their fallen status.

All i can say is... welcome to reality, learn to live within your means like the working poor do.



Again, welcome to reality. It can happen to anyone. For a long time it only happened to the middle and lower classes. Suddenly its reaching higher. Suddenly this is now a "problem".


Tazzy, very astute.
And unfortunately it's going to take a lot more *pain* before people start demanding our govt get us out of Nafta and all the other free trade deals that are killing people financially in this country. *We have to make them listen!*
I am writing a letter to Ford investor relations and telling them that until they close all plants in Mexico I will no longer be buying any (New) cars from them.
I'll simply buy *used*. Yeah, I'm only one person but that's something isn't it?

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/7/2010 11:58:51 PM   
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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 12:01:36 AM   
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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 3:12:09 PM   
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There is such a thing as being over-educated.



Do you think steven hawking would agree with you?

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 3:15:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. How many people are running around with his credentials? Now, compare that to how many people are running around with MBA's? You should have your answer.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 3:37:41 PM   
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This is for those who really believe that a college education is the key to a large pay check.
If you want to make money go to trade school.
If you want to be educated go to college.
They are not the same thing.
My niece worked in a toyota dealership as a clerk while she was going to college.
She dated a mechanic who had taken two semesters of auto shop in high school and then gone to a automotive mechanics trade school for 6 more months after high school. He went to work for toyota as a 50/50 mechanic. That is if toyota charged $100 per hour to work on your car the mechanic got $50 per hour. Auto repairs are based on the "chilton time manual". Any competent mechanic can beat book time by about half...the only exceptions being waranty work which no one can make even book time.
Six months out of high school with the ink not yet dry on his mechanics cert he was making $125K per year.after two years on the job he was making a tad under $200K.
This particular young man had no clue what was in the constitution or even when world war II was or the line of presidential succession. Needless to say he had no clue as to who or why beethoven,brahms or bartok were noteworthy. Had not the least inclination to learn of des cartes or newton and their effect on his life.
So if making money is your goal become a plumber,electrician,mechanic a welder or any skilled trade.
If you wish to acquaint yourself with the knowledge of the past several billion years then perhaps college and not trade school should be your choice.
Those anti intellectual asshats on this board should consider this before stuffing both feet in their mouths.



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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 3:41:13 PM   
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Nope. How many people are running around with his credentials? Now, compare that to how many people are running around with MBA's? You should have your answer.


Could you please name those who have hawking's credentials?
I do not believe that mr. hawking has an mba.

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RE: You never know who's working at the drugstore. - 6/8/2010 3:51:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stephen William Hawking was born on 8 January 1942 (300 years after the death of Galileo) in Oxford, England. His parents' house was in north London, but during the second world war, Oxford was considered a safer place to have babies. When he was eight, his family moved to St. Albans, a town about 20 miles north of London. At the age of eleven, Stephen went to St. Albans School and then on to University College, Oxford; his father's old college. Stephen wanted to study Mathematics, although his father would have preferred medicine. Mathematics was not available at University College, so he pursued Physics instead. After three years and not very much work, he was awarded a first class honours degree in Natural Science.

Stephen then went on to Cambridge to do research in Cosmology, there being no one working in that area in Oxford at the time. His supervisor was Denis Sciama, although he had hoped to get Fred Hoyle who was working in Cambridge. After gaining his Ph.D. he became first a Research Fellow and later on a Professorial Fellow at Gonville and Caius College. After leaving the Institute of Astronomy in 1973, Stephen came to the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics and since 1979, has held the post of Lucasian Professor of Mathematics. The chair was founded in 1663 with money left in the will of the Reverend Henry Lucas who had been the Member of Parliament for the University. It was first held by Isaac Barrow and then in 1669 by Isaac Newton.


http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php/about-stephen

No, he does not have an MBA. Which is part of my point. Not many have Hawkins resume. Too many have MBA's.

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