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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 3:50:09 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		LOL... the difference between us is not one of height or weight.

It is one of substance.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 5:37:17 PM   
DarwinsLilHelper


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Status: offline 		We had a nearly decade of what I like to refer to as "Fad Sexuality" fueled by the massive niche communications made possible by the coming of age of the internet.

The explosion in communications caused by the internet allowed every shut in dweeb living in moms basement or trailer trash Barbie strait out of her third child support filing on the third different guy...To suddenly be "Edgy" and take on the airs of a sexual pioneer.

The word Lifestyle started being confused with Sexuality by morons who's lives revolved around nothing more important than the narcissistic short term needs between their legs. I like to think of this brand of stupidity as "Identity Fucking". All the School, good works, my children, The people I helped and made their lives better were not my lifestyle...Just who and how I fucked. Thats my lifestyle and legacy...How pathetic.

Oh but wait! It even gets more pathetic a couple of years later when all these self proclaimed pioneers of sexual freedom and enlightenment, who have supposedly freed themselves from the sexual repression and dogma's of religion and morality start making up a whole new set of dogma and repressive rules like we all needed a new BDSM book of etiquette and Sexual Political Correctness. In essence a new BDSM Bible with the words..."We must accept every form of sexual expression no matter how fucked up or dangerous." stenciled in big read letters on the cover.

In the 1950 the church lady's at the PTA wanted to pass judgement on your sexual expression...Now it's a few self appointed idiots, who've been to a two hour BDSM seminar at a MUNCH full of low self esteem fat chicks, that want to lay down the rules of whether your sex life is kosher in a BDSM Chat or Forum.

The Bad news...And also the good news is, That the edgy little fad is fading fast. BDSM websites, chats and online communities are a shadow of their selves five years ago. Online communities that boasted 3000 people online in 2005 now are lucky to have 300 people online. The sexual tourists are leaving fast...On to the next big Edgy thing..."BDSM...Phaff, thats so two years ago."

So basically in a couple of years we'll all have our little sexual niche back like we liked it. Gone will be the little Dungeons and Dragon players with their 10th Edition Complete rules of BDSM and all the idiot internet nebish, sexual predators, with nothing going for them at all, except their need to act like a daddy Dom in the biggest herd of submissive, low self esteem, sheep ever brought together in one valley to be run down and abused....The Internet.

Worry not. All Fads cum to an end.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 8:26:35 PM   
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LOL... the difference between us is not one of height or weight. It is one of substance.


No. The difference between you and I, is that I am ashamed and I wear it like a badge of honor. I dont masquerade behind some normalized fad that signifies everything and means nothing. I openly accept being abnormal. I accept the pathological connotations that accompanies my pastime. And that is the difference between you and I.



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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 8:43:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Masculus

quote:

LOL... the difference between us is not one of height or weight. It is one of substance.


No. The difference between you and I, is that I am ashamed and I wear it like a badge of honor. I dont masquerade behind some normalized fad that signifies everything and means nothing. I openly accept being abnormal. I accept the pathological connotations that accompanies my pastime. And that is the difference between you and I.





One difference between the two of you besides Jefff's substantialness is the fact he has a sense of humor.... grow one dude, and I might take you seriously...

As of the way it plays right now:
1) you care way too much about what other people do and why they do it
2) you should spend more time worrying about your own backyard and inner peace...
3) you sound extraordinarily juvenile

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 10:08:21 PM   
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and a Pixies reference. Nice ;-)


Ha ha, indeed.  I think a more salient question than the OP would be "What effect has the Forer Effect played on Frank Black's solo career?"


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/10/2010 10:20:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Masculus

quote:

LOL... the difference between us is not one of height or weight. It is one of substance.


No. The difference between you and I, is that I am ashamed and I wear it like a badge of honor. I dont masquerade behind some normalized fad that signifies everything and means nothing. I openly accept being abnormal. I accept the pathological connotations that accompanies my pastime. And that is the difference between you and I.




You think being ashamed is something that makes you special? You place value in yourself due to dysfunction and are envious of others that have accepted themselves and you preach about it as though you think it is some enlightenment. It isn't. Shame is not something to strive for. Deprecating self-definitions are not something to strive for. They are however, a sign of emotional dysfunction and imbalance. I'm not sorry we can't join you in your misery.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 4:22:53 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		Ashamed?

You are ashamed of you and what you are?

Dude, I feel sorry for you.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 4:51:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

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and a Pixies reference. Nice ;-)


Ha ha, indeed.  I think a more salient question than the OP would be "What effect has the Forer Effect played on Frank Black's solo career?"



What solo career? ;-)

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 4:53:08 AM   
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Ashamed?

You are ashamed of you and what you are?

Dude, I feel sorry for you.


In a totally non-snarky way, so do I. Life gets better when we embrace all that we are.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:11:30 PM   
Masculus


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Status: offline 		I will be the guest speaker at the 13th annual kinky clown college. The topic of my seminar will be titled 'How to be a good d/s(dumb/scab)'. Of course this seminar is just a teaser where I can proceed to sell you all my secrets, which I learned from an online marriage counseling class. I am certified of course. And if asked any hard questions by those koolaid drinkers stupid enough to attend, I will of course suggest that they buy my book.

I am sure I will see you there. Be sure to bring 19.95.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:22:49 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		If that was sarcasm, it wasn't very good. If that was serious, it wasn't very good.

All in all, it wasn't very good.

Here's the deal. Your OP was kinda lame. You're not the first, we have all done it.

The choice you have is whether or not you can let it go and keep posting.

If you can, cool, if not, cool.

If you think you can offer actual insight that would be great.

If not , you will not be missed.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:34:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the Forer Effect is.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:36:07 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		If only there was a place like google, you could look it up.

You are so lucky Shore has enough wrong with him to keep you around.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:37:48 PM   
Aileen1968


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Status: offline 		Ha. Based on the OP I figured it had something to do with aliens or something.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:39:45 PM   
Aileen1968


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You are so lucky Shore has enough wrong with him to keep you around.


Yeah. He's been into eating granola in bed (crumbs) and holding me down and sticking his fingers up my nose until I laugh.
That is sooooo wrong.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:41:49 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		You two are so fucking cute... I need insulin!


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:48:20 PM   
Aileen1968


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You two are so fucking cute... I need insulin!



Does that mean I can't be Old Guard!?

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 7:49:26 PM   
Jeffff


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You mock my precious lifestyle

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/11/2010 8:38:11 PM   
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People started doing things, then someone else slapped a catchy label on it that stuck. Or do you think the first heavy metal band refused to play music until after they found a way to describe the music they wanted to play? The thing comes first, the label comes after.

As far as labels being vague enough to refer to a great many different kind of people, so what? The term blonde refers to both Northern Europeans and those of darker skin color who use dye. That's certainly vague as well.

Actually I believe the OP refers to effects of the Internet on what traditionally was a matter of much less ambiguity in terms. Here we have in effect an advertisement, with pics...a portfolio possible. We plaster in our text a proclaimation of being dominant, submission, sadistic or masochistic.

That is a very fast acceleration of discovery and in addition...being free of charge, it means anybody at all can come do this. Now I am not talking about subs wanting to be 'owned' and slaves seeking only to submit. Our terms our as malleable as in any particular interest.

Thus the question...is it that with so many who don't really know much at all about what's on or even the terms here, changed or yes, even diluted the fetish or kinky power exchange, so-called BDSM lifestyle ? I feel as if it has and all we can do is weed through it. There are many here who probably belong on match.com or AFF. So what else is new ?

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 1:05:48 AM   
kiwisub12


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Status: offline 		So, if i am not kinky enough to really qualify for "the lifestyle", then i am responsible for the mainstreaming of said lifestyle   - and this is bad how?
I understand what the OP is saying, but not sure what his point is. Is it bad for more people to know about a kink, or alternate lifestyle?  It seems to me that would kind of like me saying that the institution of marriage is ruined if polygamy or gay marriage is legalized, then all the johnny-come-lates are fakes and want-a-bes.

perhaps the people playing at bdsm aren't as hard core as the OP, but who am i to deny their kinky fun?  

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