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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 7:25:47 AM   
Masculus


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I will make my point in crayon.

The BDSM movement was modeled after the Gay cultures coming out party. In the early 70s homosexuality made its  way off of the DMS-IV list. Soon after in a fight to be accepted the culture began an in your face campaign of desensitization, silencing dissenting opinion via psychological terrorism (which most of the wienies on this thread try to do , but suck at it), and repackaging the product.

Outside of legal ramifications pre-internet sadomasochist really didn't care about mainstream acceptance. But there were those who wanted to make money off of sadomasochism and the internet and word of mouth marketing could help do that. They used the gay cultures acceptance model, except since sadomasochism was still a DSM-IV mental illness the campaign would have to start with repackaging. Enter BDSM and the Forer Effect. The scene was then desensitized with all the romance novel self help D/s books, seminars and movies. What lonley wife wouldnt want a Mickey Rourke duminant from "9 1/2 week" buying them gifts and doing the dishes. And place like collarme are full of profiles with just that kind of a dum. Lastly Sadomasochisms history  was rewritten and discredited by claiming the Leather culture was no longer a movement of macho-gay men escaping the dragging queen limp wristed faggot stereo-type, but mythical warriors from WWII who lived a life filled with military honor, courtesy, blah, blah, blah, snore.

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perhaps the people playing at bdsm aren't as hard core as the OP

Perhaps people aren't playing at all? What is D/s with eroticism, bondage, and sadomasochism. Wanting a hierarchical arrangement is all that qualifies you to be BDSM. You are qualified to come to a site like collarme. A site covered with pornographic advertisement depicting hardcore bondage and sadomasochism with erotic overtones, ads that are intended to desensitize the boring mainstreamers. But the ads fail, because this site is littered with people who bash the activities in those ads and claim their vanilla D/s is far more superior than the sadomasochism depicted in those pics. MrRodgers is right, many of these people belong on the match website or some other christian puritan network.  kiwisub12, that is the point I am trying to make. Duhhhh.

It is safe to assume those bashing me or my post and not actually trying to take apart my opinion are either those boring ass puritans or they are trying to sell a cheap ass flogger for 500 dollars that will never be used. 

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Here's the deal. Your OP was kinda lame. You're not the first, we have all done it.

You attempt to discredit me is lame. And what insight have you provided? Oh, that you are very childish and attack anyone who gives an opinion of your puritansinglesnetwork.com lifestyle. You are right about you having substance, but is mobbing a quality substance?


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 7:40:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masculus
Wanting a hierarchical arrangement is all that qualifies you to be BDSM. You are qualified to come to a site like collarme. A site covered with pornographic advertisement depicting hardcore bondage and sadomasochism with erotic overtones, ads that are intended to desensitize the boring mainstreamers. But the ads fail, because this site is littered with people who bash the activities in those ads and claim their vanilla D/s is far more superior than the sadomasochism depicted in those pics. MrRodgers is right, many of these people belong on the match website or some other christian puritan network.  kiwisub12, that is the point I am trying to make. Duhhhh.

Well gosh.  When I see a profile I don't like, I hide it.

Seems to me, this is an inclusive site.  People can post more or less whatever they want on the message boards.  They can write more or less whatever they want in their journals and profiles.  So it's up to me, as a thinking human being with maturity and self-control, to spend time on the site members that will benefit me the most, and to spend no time on the site members who will not benefit me.  Pretty simple.

You seem to be raging against the dying of the pure BDSM light.  I, on the other hand, am ecstatic that more and more women are willing to ask their partners, "Will you crawl to me?  Is that ok?  I'd really enjoy it but I don't want to be a bitch to you," and to ask their partners, "Will you hit me with this please?  Please don't freak out."

I think the mainstreamization of BDSM is awesome.


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 7:42:55 AM   
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I'm still struggling to see an issue with more people finding bdsm acceptable.

Ten years ago I was single, miserable and thought there was something wrong with me because I couldn't find a satisfying relationship. Two years later, I was introduced to bdsm by a friend. Since then, I've found somewhere I feel I 'fit'. I have had several excellent relationships and discovered a joy in sex and relationships.

Without this 'watering down' of the 'darkness' of bdsm, I'd still be alone and lonely. Now - I'm a happy, confident and unashamedly sexual person with strong masochistic tendencies. All I need now is the sadist to complete me

OP - seriously, you need to talk to someone. There's a guy called SocratesNot you might wanna look up...

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 8:55:22 AM   
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The VERY first step in being able to mainstream is/was to remove the diagnosis from the DSM - which is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.  The edition/version number of the DSM is now "at" DSM-IV(TR) that means version 4 (Text revision.)  Just getting TR in there was a HUGE battle and a compromise.

Why is this so very, very important?  Because the DSM-IV(TR) is the LEGAL and MEDICAL standard.  Classic examples are child custody battles in which one spouse (usually the wife) says "He hit me with this weird flogger thing."  Doesn't matter that there are witnesses to them both being in the clubs, etc.  Wife's lawyer argues, "She was forced to go.  What a better definition of slavery than that?"

Until the DSM comes out as DSM-V (w/o TR) we (myself included) are in daily danger of losing jobs, children, and even lives (as in suicides - the bunny just above was NOT suicidal, but despondent).  The parallels to the supressions of gays are IDENTICAL - don't y'all "get" it?

And worse yet, there are Christian psychologists who have learned their lessons in the removal of homosexuality from DSM-III.  They feel they were blind-sided and have sworn that won't happen again.

The battle is simply stated:  "Remove the paraphilias from the proposed DSM-V"  Oh, lordy, sounds pretty easy when you start to look at what that means.  For example, MALE cross-dressers are in there.  (Emphasis added to indicate that FEMALE cross-dressers have never been listed in any DSM.... how sexist is that?
Drag Kings are "free" of a DSM diagnosis.  Go google "drag king" just for fun!)

Now to the hard part: One of the paraphilias is pedophilia. :::SIGH::: See, your reaction was IMMEADIATELY - "We MUST keep that in to protect our children!"  wasn't it?

Well, no.  Removal of this particular paraphilia will NOT put kids at danger.  There are laws in place (NOT dependent on the DSM) to make pedophilia a punishable crime.  As a matter of fact, when a pedophile gets a "really good" lawyer, the defense is "Your Honor, this man (usually pedophiles are men) is not a criminal.  He's just mentally ill and needs help.  The DSM-IV(TR) says so."  As a matter of fact the TR (text revision) was MOSTLY about making sure that pedophiles could be diagnosed when their condition didn't "bother" just them.  The TR included pedophilia as also "disturbing" others (i.e. the mother of the children attacked.)  Until that was added, pedophiles could be NOT diagnosed because most of them said, "Well, my condition doesn't disturb me, so I'm not 'sick'." (That was the compromise.)

NOW TO THE RUB!

Since that TR applies to ALL paraphilias, it applies to BDSM.  So, if your mother, aunt or even a neighbor reports that she (usually a female relative that reports) is "disturbed" by your BDSM activities, you are now diagnosed with a mental illness.  I am NOT kidding.  This is totally serious......

What to do?

First of all, educate yourself!  I was TOTALLY surprised at the depth of detail at Wikipedia under BDSM -  Cool pic from history section:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Tomba_Della_Fustigazione.jpg

Next "follow" the name "Charles Moser" - here's a good place to start:

http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/moser_kleinpl.htm

Of course, money changes everything (for better or worse.)  Here's the "white paper" on this action by the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF)

http://ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_keyword&id=305

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:02:18 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		Dude.... First I am not likely to take advice from someone who is ashamed. Does that make sense?

Second, just like not everyone, is for everyone, Not everyplace is for everyone.

Any of us, all of us can do what we want and be who we are. I am quite sure I don't measure up to many here. My avatar is a fucking anteater. I would like to think that says something about me.

Check this out, I don't care if I don't measure up. I don't care what you think of me or this site.

I don't care about your issues and unhappiness.

I imagine no one here does.

If you don't like what the net has done to your lifestyle, turn off the fucking computer.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:03:12 AM   
Masculus


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OP - seriously, you need to talk to someone. There's a guy called SocratesNot you might wanna look up..


I wanna look up people to buy my shipment of crops and jump bats that i bought for 1 dollar a piece that I intend to sell for 40 dollars a throw..

Btw, your profile pic speaks volumes lol

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:05:27 AM   
LanceHughes


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Sorry that I didn't get my long thingie posted before your rant against OP.

Yes, he's not happy, but inarticulate in going forward.  I hope my comment just above helps explain his angst.  Been there, felt the same.

What a joyous day for the gays when the DSM-III was put to rest!

ETA: Just found this:

http://www.psych.org/dsmv.aspx

It is reportage on the planning  for DSM-V which started in 1999 - more than a DECADE ago!

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:07:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masculus

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OP - seriously, you need to talk to someone. There's a guy called SocratesNot you might wanna look up..


I wanna look up people to buy my shipment of crops and jump bats that i bought for 1 dollar a piece that I intend to sell for 40 dollars a throw..

Btw, your profile pic speaks volumes lol



See that's what's weird about your rant. She KNOWS who she is. You, on the other hand chose a screen name to announce how macho you are.

You chose a picture to show how tough you are. You are the one who is ashamed.

Who are you trying to convince, us, or yourself?



Editied to add.... awww Lance... how about a hug!..:)


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:14:23 AM   
Masculus


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Dude.... First I am not likely to take advice from someone who is ashamed. Does that make sense?


Makes abut as much sense as hiding behind some acronyms that makes you appear to be normal. lol

I am not unhappy, you assume too much.. I am very happy with my illness, it is not so dark and scary that I need to hide it by telling people that it is BDSM-D/s or whatever normalized terminology that you like to use.

Turn of my computer? What fun is that when I can get you panties in a wad by stating on how the boring are boring? It appears the only who is having issues is you and I love how you defend your sacred lifestyle with lame ass remarks like, "turn off your computer".

I bet your bookshelf is filled with D/s self help books.."The caring dum" is probably on your nightstand and it keeps you company on those lonely nights. It must suck having to hide it when your mom comes up to clean your room.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:19:07 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		LOL... you are a sad, silly little man. Your insults are weak and poorly thought out.

I like to hit women with thing until they cry, and then fuck em!

Odd?... perhaps, a sickness?...nope.


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:25:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
Editied to add.... awww Lance... how about a hug!..:)


Sure!  But for me or for him? LOL!

ETA: And this, just in:

Told you that the Christians weren't going to take "removal" of the paraphilias laying down (or is that lying down. can never remember.)  Chistians?  Probably LIE-ing. LOL!)

http://www.christianforums.com/t7454365/

What's "nice" is that their rant tells us BDSMers that all we have to do is wait for DSM-V to be issued.  Whew!  And pedophilia gets its whole separate section! Y'all have NO idea what work that was!!

/Lance brags just a little about his teeny, tiny part in helping this happen.  He hasn't been directly involved for about 4 years now.  He must cut-n-paste this message to some people that will say, "Oh, we forget to tell you." LOL!/

Now to go see if I can find a proposed issue date!

* Hugs back at ya, Jeffff! *

<edited for white space and punctuation.> 

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:26:28 AM   
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LOL... you are a sad, silly little man. Your insults are weak and poorly thought out.

I like to hit women with thing until they cry, and then fuck em!

Odd?... perhaps, a sickness?...nope.



If it's a sickness Jefffff...wanna infect a bunny?

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:28:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masculus



Btw, your profile pic speaks volumes lol



So does yours.

That angle makes your tits look huge and yet your dick appears tiny. Who'd have thought it?



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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:28:51 AM   
Masculus


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Status: offline 		Jefff the pressure on you trying prove your normality (i.e. your rightful place in sadomasochism) is taking its toll and is showing in each an every post. You are in denial of your shame, that is why you hide behind the mask of normality. That is why contemporary BDSM puts so much effort in hiding the raunchy, filthy, disgusting, unpleasant or painful, because the whole genre is in denial of their shame and use normalization to validate their role in the genre.

You act like my shame is a bad thing even though I dignify it by embracing it and not being in fear of abjection from the mainstream because I am raunchy, filthy, disgusting, unpleasant and use what is painful for the pleasure of others. You attack my shame in a pathetic attempt to belittle my opinion, but I am not the one in denial and I have no fear of not be accepted by you or anyone else.

You are the only one ranting my boy .

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:31:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, hey, y'all stop that!  Those "you" statements are flame starters if I ever saw any.  I don't want this thread to be locked until I finish with the "proposed date for release of DSM-V."  And then, I'll ask it to be locked. LOL!

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:31:06 AM   
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[So does yours. That angle makes your tits look huge and yet your dick appears tiny. Who'd have thought it? /quote]


That is the best that you can do? If you want to see my dick all you have to do is ask.

I will try playing nice, Lance lol


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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:32:40 AM   
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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:34:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		And I quote from:  ttp://www.psych.org/MainMenu/Research/DSMIV/DSMV.aspx
"A release of the final, approved DSM-V is expected in May 2013."

And here's a nice thread-jack:  Gee.... too bad that's after that 2012 Mayan-end-of-the-world thingie. LOL!

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I said "STOP IT!"

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MODS! Please lock-out this flame battle!  Thank you in advance, Lance Hughes

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:35:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not his fault Lance.

It's his ashamed dick talking.

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RE: What role has the Forer Effect played in contempora... - 6/12/2010 9:41:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having performed a FFT (fast fourier transform) analysis on the Forer effect, and it turns out that is all theater, and we all tend towards seeing things better than they are. 

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